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Diablo III's core Attributes are Strength, Dexterity, Intelligence, and Vitality. Different classes get different bonuses from these attributes. Each one can be broken down into other, more fundamental attributes.

Examples of other attributes are Armor, Crit Chance, and Attack Speed. Many more exist, and they are described in this article.

A player's attributes can be increased by their gear or talents. Not all items can have every type of attribute.

Core Attributes[edit | edit source]

Stats are now incorporated into the inventory/paper doll display.

This lists the four core attributes and their precise effects, as of patch 1.0.2.^[1]

Strength[edit | edit source]

Strength governs how much Armor a character has and increases Barbarian's and Crusader's damage dealt.
Each point of Strength gives:

+1 Armor.
+1% damage for Barbarians.

Dexterity[edit | edit source]

Dexterity governs the chance that a character will Dodge an attack and increases Demon Hunter's and Monk's damage dealt.
Each point of Dexterity gives:

+1% damage for Demon Hunters and Monks.
+x% to Dodge chance:

Dexterity	Increase per point	Total dodge chance
1–100	+0.1%	Dex × 0.1%
101–500	+0.025%	(Dex – 100) × 0.025% + 10.0%
501–1000	+0.02%	(Dex – 500) × 0.02% + 20.0%
1001–8000	+0.01%	(Dex – 1000) × 0.01% + 30.0%

Intelligence[edit | edit source]

Intelligence increases a character's Resistances and increases Wizard's and Witch Doctor's damage dealt.
Each point of Intellect gives:

+0.1 to all Resistances.
+1% damage for Witch Doctors and Wizards.

Vitality[edit | edit source]

Vitality governs the amount of Life a character has.
Each point of Vitality gives:

+x Life
- If player level < 35, x = 10.
- If player level ≥ 35, x = Level − 25.

At level 60, each point of vitality adds 35 life. This does not include 36 base life and +4 life per level.

Total Life is calculated as follows:
- If player level < 35, Life = Vitality × 10 + Level × 4 + 36
- If player level ≥ 35, Life = Vitality × (Level − 25) + Level × 4 + 36

Other Attributes[edit | edit source]

Armor[edit | edit source]

Armor reduces all damage done to the player by a percentage, including magical damage.

Reduction = (Armor/(Armor + Mlvl × 50)) × 100%,

where Mlvl is the level of the attacking monster.

Resistances[edit | edit source]

Resistances reduce all damage of a certain type (Physical, Cold, Fire, Lightning, Poison, or Arcane/Holy) done to the player by a percentage. It is comparable to Armor, though each point is worth ten times as much.

Reduction = (Resistance/(Resistance + Mlvl × 5)) × 100%,

where Mlvl is the level of the attacking monster.

Critical Hit Chance[edit | edit source]

When a player attacks, they have a chance of hitting with a significantly higher damage than usual. This chance is their "crit" chance. Players have a base of 5% crit hit chance, with a crit damage of 150% normal damage. Items with +Critical Hit Chance can be found.

Critical Hit Damage[edit | edit source]

This is the amount of damage that a critical hit does. The base is 150% of normal damage. Items with +Critical Hit Damage can be found.

Core Attribute Changes[edit | edit source]

The core attributes have undergone significant changes since conception. The Diablo 3 beta had a fifth attribute named willpower, which no longer exists.

Attribute changes in 2012[edit | edit source]

On Janruary 19, 2012, Diablo III Game Director Jay Wilson made a lengthy blog post on various upcoming system changes[1] in Diablo III. These changes included a complete overhaul on the attribute system.

Strength and Dexterity made a comeback while Vitality stayed the same. A new attribute was introduced to the game - Intelligence. Stats that came with the old attributes have been moved onto item affixes. +Armor and +Physical Resist is taking over Defense and +Chance to critically hit will replace Precision.

Itemization was the main reason behind the attribute overhaul. With the old attribute system, almost every item was useful to every class. For example, Barbarian's equipment was as useful when used by the Wizard and vice-versa (except for the class-based items). The new attributes specifically targets stats at classes to reduce item overlap and diversify the item pool. In addition, character stats are now displayed on the inventory interface.

Attribute changes in 2010[edit | edit source]

Originally, each attribute affected more character properties in Diablo III than in D1 or D2. This was part of the D3 Team's design goal; to make all of the attributes useful to all of the classes. On December 20, 2010, that changed when D3 Community Manager Bashiok made an announcement[2]on the Battle.net forums of the new attribute system in which each core attribute affects a single property.

This change wasn't as controversial as the pre-set attribute announcement, but Bashiok's post did generate a lively 26-page debatein the forums. Bashiok made several points in favor of the change, and several less-favorable points were made in the forum. The debate is distilled here:

Pros[edit | edit source]

None of the old attributes helped control resource management.
Easier to make all attributes valuable to all classes.
Before, in some cases it was not obvious what attribute affected a particular skill.
Makes core attributes simple and straightforward to understand.
Makes game balance easier.
Makes valuing item stats easier.
No character has a primary attribute.

Cons[edit | edit source]

It wasn't that confusing, especially with pre-set attributes.
Feels like a dumbing-down of the game.
Having all attributes equally valuable to all classes is not always beneficial.
No character has a primary attribute.
The attribute names are uninspiring.

Old Attribute System[edit | edit source]

See the respective pages on Attack, Precision, Defense and Vitality (didn't change) to see how the attributes used to look like in the beta (before the attribute changes in 2012).

BlizzCon 2010 when str/dex/vit/will were last seen.▼

Clvl 13 Wizard in the Diablo 3 beta (2011) before the stat overhaul.▲

Even Older Attribute System[edit | edit source]

See the respective pages on Strength, Dexterity, Vitality, and Willpower (renamed from Energy in D2) to see what attributes originally looked like.

No Customizable Attributes[edit | edit source]

The biggest change about attributes in Diablo III is that they will no longer be player-assigned on level up. This means that two "naked" characters of the same class and of the same level will have the exact same attack, precision, vitality, defense, and willpower, as well as the same hit points, resource value, damage, and etc. Except that they won't, since differences in their skills, skillrunes, and traits, not to mention equipment, including charms/talisman, will make them very different.

Though this seems a settled issue as of late 2010, it was highly-controversial when it was first revealed, back in late 2009. Jay Wilson explained it, as best he could in those days long before charms, the talisman, gems, or traits had been revealed. [3]

Jay Wilson: Stat progression as a system is very difficult for a lot of players to understand because you get these 5 points, but you don’t exactly know where to put them or what benefit you’re getting with them. You might make some obvious choices, for example, with Diablo II’s Sorceress, you might put all of your points into energy because that’s the obvious choice, right? Except that for almost every build out there, you’ve just made the wrong choice. Any system where you have to go up onto the Internet to figure out what the right answer is, is not a good customization system. Any system where there’s a “right” answer is not a good system for customization. The truth is, with stat point systems, they are simple math. It’s not hard to figure out what the absolute best choice is so we decided we didn’t want that as a customization system. With that being said, we do have another system we’re working on. The specific intent of it is to capture the imagination of what stat point spending was supposed to do, which is, “I want to be stronger. I want to be tougher.” These kind of simple ideas are not contextualized well within a skill system. The skill system is about what the player is doing, not higher ideals about what their character is. So, we’re going to work on a system that really satisfies that feeling, but is way easier to understand and also has some true customization to it.

Pre-Set Attributes Removed[edit | edit source]

Much digital ink has been spilled on this issue, since it was revealed at Blizzcon, in October 2008. (The first word came from an interview by Diii.net, and immediately resulted in a 30-page forum thread.) Some portion of that hew and cry was spurred by an initial misunderstanding; reporters assumed items would still have strength, dexterity, and other attribute requirements (they do not), but even with that issue clarified shortly after, the topic of pre-set attributes has remained a contentious one.

There are a variety of arguments on each side of the issue. The debate was nicely encapsulated in an On the Drawing Board column about pre-set attributes, from which the following bullet points are taken: [4]

Pros[edit | edit source]

Manual setting is no longer needed, as there are no stat requirements on items any more.
It's beginner friendly. New players won't ruin their characters with poor stat allocation.
Attributes were largely irrelevant in D2, since all characters with the same build used identical equipment and stat allocation. Typical D2 guide advice, "Enough strength for your heaviest item, then all the rest into vitality."
Enables easier/better game balancing for the developers, since they can know about how powerful characters will be.
Prevents twinking and other exploits by low level characters.
World of Warcraft uses auto-attributes, and it's the most popular RPG ever.
No need for attribute respecs, which would otherwise have to be incorporated since skill respecs will be.
It boosts the importance of items, since those and skills are what differentiates characters.
High level characters can use the items they find, since they won't, for example, be built with far too little strength for that cool new item they just found.
It respects traditional RPG philosophy of archetype characters in the sense of how a physical and mental ability of a class is supposed to be depending on its role. A Barbarian with very high Willpower or a Wizard with too much Strength really makes no sense from roleplaying perspective in a fantasy game.
It completely eliminates situations when people find a better items with more points in stat X and realize that they have one or more unnecessary invested points right now in stat X just because of these new items and those points could be relocated in other stat for better purpose. Maybe later on they will need those permanently invested points in stat X, but not right now. The problem is that it will never end, until they will find all items perfect and reroll their characters.
Rerolling is fun but rerolling because of messed stats is not fun.

Cons[edit | edit source]

Reduced Character Variety. Unusual and non-cookie cutter builds need to allocate their attributes differently.
We won’t be noobs forever. Why gimp a major aspect of game play individuality when it won't be necessary once gamers have some experience?
No Attributes = No skill required. If players want to mainline strength and ignore vitality because they're good enough to survive with fewer hit points, or vice versa so they can play with a weaker, specialized build, why take away that option?
Rerolling is fun. Making new characters is a hallmark of the Diablo series. This isn't WoW where one high level character takes months to build, and then lasts forever with respecs.
What about hardcore? Hardcore characters want/need to be built very differently than softcore, since death is forever.

Blizzard's Response[edit | edit source]

The D3 Team never issued a formal, multi-point rebuttal, but they have commented on this issue a few times, being careful not to give away their plans for stat customization via systems, such as gems, traits, and the talisman, that they weren't yet ready to reveal.[ [5]]

Jay Wilson: For the most part attribute spending in Diablo II was a great way, when you didn’t know how to play the game, to break your character. Most people didn’t know where to put them and when they found out the answer was always kind of weird like "Put 5 points in Energy and then all the rest of the points in Vitality."

The longest comment came from D3 Community Manager Bashiok who offered a detailed argument in a forum post in December 2008. [6]

Loss of character customization:

With the current skill system, runes, and item affixes, as well as other unmentionables, there’s not going to be any issue with not having enough customization. If there is, bottom line, we’ll add more. We’re not going to release a game we’re not happy with, and a lack of character customization options would make us unhappy. But, even right now we have a lot more variety and ability to customize a character than Diablo II had.

Odd character builds:
Similarly is being able to create “off-spec” builds, or characters that aren’t just cookie cutter ideals of the class you’re playing. This is important to the game, and we will ensure that it doesn't get "tuned out" of the game. ...Manual attributes were not what made them possible in Diablo II. The ability to make these types of characters relies solely on the complexity and diversity of the the options available to steer your character, and not that they come in the form of a "+" button.

Less feeling of level up achievement:
The loss of a feeling of a leveling achievement is actually something we recognize and intend to address.

We've always assigned our own points in Diablo games:

The nostalgia of simply having points, and spending them on base stats is probably the most difficult. Liking something because it’s familiar is difficult to argue with, but it’s also probably the easiest to overcome. Since we can’t force your memories out of you, we just have to make the best game we can and hope you realize that manual attribute assignment isn’t the best, most engaging or entertaining form of character customization possible, and that we’re offering an even deeper and richer game without those buttons.

Though this issue continues to emerge in comments and forum posts, the Diablo 3 team has shown no inclination to undo their changes to this aspect of the game.

References[edit | edit source]

↑ http://blackrabbit2999.blogspot.com/2012/05/diablo-3-game-mechanics-complete-guide.html

[1] ttp://blackrabbit2999.blogspot.com/2012/05/diablo-3-game-mechanics-complete-guide.html

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-'''Attributes''' in [[Diablo III]] consist of '''[[Attack_(Attribute)|Attack]]''', '''[[Precision_(Attribute)|Precision]]''', '''[[Vitality]]''', '''[[Defense]]''', and '''[[Willpower]]'''. Each attribute affects a single property in Diablo III. See the respective character class pages for [[Barbarian]], [[Witch Doctor]], [[Wizard]], [[Monk]], and the [[Demon Hunter]] for more specific details.
+{{BC}}
+Diablo III's core '''Attributes''' are '''[[Strength]]''', '''[[Dexterity]]''', '''[[Intelligence]]''', and '''[[Vitality]]'''. Different classes get different bonuses from these attributes. Each one can be broken down into other, more fundamental attributes.
-Although attributes are automatically-placed in Diablo III, [[traits]], [[charms]] in the [[talisman]], and the ability to [[socket]] very high level [[gems]] should allow for as much or more character variety as was possible in [[Diablo II]], where attributes could be placed wherever a player desired.
+Examples of other attributes are Armor, Crit Chance, and Attack Speed. Many more exist, and they are described in this article.
+A player's attributes can be increased by their gear or talents. Not all items can have every type of attribute.
 ==Core Attributes==
-The core attributes changed in December of 2010. This is the current list:
+[[File:New-stats-paperdoll.jpg|thumb|300px|Stats are now incorporated into the inventory/paper doll display.]]
+This lists the four core attributes and their precise effects, as of patch 1.0.2.<ref>http://blackrabbit2999.blogspot.com/2012/05/diablo-3-game-mechanics-complete-guide.html</ref>
-[[Image:Attributes.jpg|frame|right|Attributes in the [[UI]] from d.163.com, during a 2011 press event.]]
+===Strength===
+[[Strength]] governs how much [[Armor]] a character has and increases [[Barbarian]]'s and [[Crusader]]'s [[damage]] dealt.<br>
+'''Each point of Strength gives:'''
+* +1 [[Armor]].
+* +1% damage for [[Barbarian]]s.
-===Attack===
+===Dexterity===
-[[Attack_(Attribute)|Attack]] governs how much [[damage]] a character does in all attacks, physical and magical.<br>
+[[Dexterity]] governs the chance that a character will [[Dodge]] an attack and increases [[Demon Hunter]]'s and [[Monk]]'s [[damage]] dealt.<br>
-'''Each point of Attack gives:'''
+'''Each point of Dexterity gives:'''
-*+x% [[Damage]] Bonus (based on [[Classes|class]])
+* +1% damage for [[Demon Hunter]]s and [[Monk]]s.
+* +''x''% to [[Dodge]] chance:
+{|
+|-
+! Dexterity !! Increase per point !! Total dodge chance
+|-
+| 1&ndash;100 || +0.1% || ''Dex''&nbsp;&times; 0.1%
+|-
+| 101&ndash;500 || +0.025% || (''Dex''&nbsp;–&nbsp;100)&nbsp;&times; 0.025%&nbsp;+ 10.0%
+|-
+| 501&ndash;1000 || +0.02% || (''Dex''&nbsp;–&nbsp;500)&nbsp;&times; 0.02%&nbsp;+ 20.0%
+|-
+| 1001&ndash;8000 || +0.01% || (''Dex''&nbsp;–&nbsp;1000)&nbsp;&times; 0.01%&nbsp;+ 30.0%
+|}
+===Intelligence===
+[[Intelligence]] increases a character's [[Resistances]] and increases [[Wizard]]'s and [[Witch Doctor]]'s [[damage]] dealt.<br>
+'''Each point of Intellect gives:'''
+* +0.1 to all [[Resistances]].
+* +1% damage for [[Witch Doctor]]s and [[Wizard]]s.
-===Precision===
+===Vitality===
-[[Precision_(Attribute)|Precision]] governs the chance that a character will make a [[critical hit]] in all attacks, physical and magical.<br>
+[[Vitality]] governs the amount of [[Life]] a character has.<br>
-'''Each point of Precision gives:'''
+'''Each point of Vitality gives:'''
-*+x% [[Critical hit|Critical Strike]] Chance (based on [[Classes|class]])
+* +''x'' Life
+** If player level < 35, ''x''&nbsp;= 10.
+** If player level ≥ 35, ''x''&nbsp;= ''Level''&nbsp;&minus; 25.
+At level 60, each point of vitality adds 35 life. This does not include 36 base life and +4 life per level.
+* Total Life is calculated as follows:
+** If player level < 35, ''Life''&nbsp;= ''Vitality''&nbsp;&times; 10&nbsp;+ ''Level''&nbsp;&times; 4&nbsp;+ 36
+** If player level ≥ 35, ''Life''&nbsp;= ''Vitality''&nbsp;&times; (''Level''&nbsp;&minus; 25)&nbsp;+ ''Level''&nbsp;&times; 4&nbsp;+ 36
+==Other Attributes==
+====Armor====
+Armor reduces all damage done to the player by a percentage, including magical damage.
+:''Reduction''&nbsp;= (''Armor''/(''Armor''&nbsp;+ ''Mlvl''&nbsp;&times; 50)) &times; 100%,
+where ''Mlvl'' is the level of the attacking monster.
+====Resistances====
+Resistances reduce all damage of a certain type (Physical, Cold, Fire, Lightning, Poison, or Arcane/Holy) done to the player by a percentage. It is comparable to Armor, though each point is worth ten times as much.
+:''Reduction''&nbsp;= (''Resistance''/(''Resistance''&nbsp;+ ''Mlvl''&nbsp;&times; 5)) &times; 100%,
+where ''Mlvl'' is the level of the attacking monster.
-===Defense===
+====Critical Hit Chance====
-[[Defense]] governs the amount of [[damage]] a character takes from all attacks, physical and magical.<br>
+When a player attacks, they have a chance of hitting with a significantly higher damage than usual. This chance is their "crit" chance. Players have a base of 5% crit hit chance, with a crit damage of 150% normal damage. Items with +Critical Hit Chance can be found.
-'''Each point of Defense gives:'''
-*+x [[Damage]] Reduction (based on [[Classes|class]])
+====Critical Hit Damage====
+This is the amount of damage that a critical hit does. The base is 150% of normal damage. Items with +Critical Hit Damage can be found.
-===Vitality===
+==Core Attribute Changes==
-[[Vitality]] governs the amount of [[life]] a character has.<br>
+The core attributes have undergone significant changes since conception. The Diablo 3 beta had a fifth attribute named willpower, which no longer exists.
-'''Each point of Vitality gives:'''
-*+x [[Life]] (based on [[Classes|class]])
-==Willpower==
+===Attribute changes in 2012===
+On Janruary 19, 2012, [[Diablo III]] Game Director [[Jay Wilson]] made a lengthy blog post on various upcoming system changes[http://us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/4325959/Systems_Changes-1_19_2012#blog] in Diablo III. These changes included a complete overhaul on the attribute system.
-Willpower was formally the fifth attribute, but it has been taken out of the game at some point in 2011. The likelihood of it working with every different resource system was probably not so good. The stat's description remains below:
+[[Strength]] and [[Dexterity]] made a comeback while [[Vitality]] stayed the same. A new attribute was introduced to the game - [[Intelligence]]. Stats that came with the old attributes have been moved onto item affixes. +[[Armor]] and +Physical Resist is taking over [[Defense]] and +[[Critical Hit|Chance to critically hit]] will replace [[Precision]].
-[[Willpower]] governs the amount of [[resource]] a character has.<br>
+[[Itemization]] was the main reason behind the attribute overhaul. With the old attribute system, almost every item was useful to every class. For example, Barbarian's equipment was as useful when used by the Wizard and vice-versa (except for the class-based items). The new attributes specifically targets stats at classes to reduce item overlap and diversify the item pool. In addition, character stats are now displayed on the inventory interface.
-'''Each point of Willpower gives:'''
-*Varies greatly bases on each [[Classes|class]] and its specific [[resource]].
-==Core Attribute Changes==
+===Attribute changes in 2010===
-The core attributes have undergone significant changes since conception. Originally, each attribute affected more character properties in Diablo III than in [[Diablo I|D1]] or [[Diablo II|D2]]. This was part of the [[D3 Team]]'s design goal; to make all of the attributes useful to all of the classes. On December 20, 2010, that changed when D3 Community Manager [[Bashiok]] made an announcement[http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=27795769376&pageNo=1&sid=3000#0]on the Battle.net forums of the new attribute system in which each core attribute affects a single property.
+Originally, each attribute affected more character properties in Diablo III than in [[Diablo I|D1]] or [[Diablo II|D2]]. This was part of the [[D3 Team]]'s design goal; to make all of the attributes useful to all of the classes. On December 20, 2010, that changed when D3 Community Manager [[Bashiok]] made an announcement[http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=27795769376&pageNo=1&sid=3000#0]on the Battle.net forums of the new attribute system in which each core attribute affects a single property.
-This change wasn't as controversial as the [[#No Customizable Attributes|pre-set attribute]] announcement, but Bashiok's post did generate a lively [http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=788501 26-page debate]in the forums. Bashiok made several points in favor of the change, and several less-favorable points were made in the forum. The debate is distilled here:
+This change wasn't as controversial as the [[Attributes#No Customizable Attributes|pre-set attribute]] announcement, but Bashiok's post did generate a lively [http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=788501 26-page debate]in the forums. Bashiok made several points in favor of the change, and several less-favorable points were made in the forum. The debate is distilled here:
-===Pros===
+====Pros====
 * None of the old attributes helped control [[resource]] management.
 * Easier to make all attributes valuable to all classes.
 * Before, in some cases it was not obvious what attribute affected a particular skill.
 * Makes core attributes simple and straightforward to understand.
 * Makes game balance easier.
+* Makes valuing item stats easier.
+* No character has a primary attribute.
-* Makes valuing item stats easier.
+====Cons====
-===Cons===
 * It wasn't ''that'' confusing, especially with pre-set attributes.
 * Feels like a dumbing-down of the game.
 * Having all attributes equally valuable to all classes is not always beneficial.
 * No character has a primary attribute.
 * The attribute names are uninspiring.
+===Old Attribute System===
+See the respective pages on [[Attack]], [[Precision]], [[Defense]] and [[Vitality]] (didn't change) to see how the attributes used to look like in the beta (before the attribute changes in 2012).
-===Old Attribute System===
+{|
-See the respective pages on [[Strength]], [[Dexterity]], [[Vitality]], and [[Willpower]] (renamed from [[Energy]] in [[Diablo II|D2]]) to see what attributes originally looked like.
+| [[Image:Character_sheet_2010.jpg|thumb|250px|[[BlizzCon]] 2010 when str/dex/vit/will were last seen.▼]]
+| [[Image:Interface-char-beta-sml.jpg|thumb|250px|Clvl 13 Wizard in the Diablo 3 beta (2011) before the stat overhaul.▲]]
+|}
+===Even Older Attribute System===
+See the respective pages on [[Strength#Development|Strength]], [[Dexterity#Development|Dexterity]], [[Vitality#Development|Vitality]], and [[Willpower]] (renamed from [[Energy]] in [[Diablo II|D2]]) to see what attributes originally looked like.
 ==No Customizable Attributes==
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 Though this seems a settled issue as of late 2010, it was highly-controversial when it was first revealed, back in late 2009. Jay Wilson explained it, as best he could in those days long before charms, the talisman, gems, or traits had been revealed. [http://g4tv.com/games/pc/28197/diablo-iii/articles/68225/BlizzCon-2009-Diablo-III-Game-Director-Interview/]
-::'''Jay Wilson:''' Stat progression as a system is very difficult for a lot of players to understand because you get these 5 points, but you don’t exactly know where to put them or what benefit you’re getting with them. You might make some obvious choices, for example, with Diablo II’s Sorceress, you might put all of your points into energy because that’s the obvious choice, right? Except that for almost every build out there, you’ve just made the wrong choice. Any system where you have to go up onto the Internet to figure out what the right answer is, is not a good customization system. Any system where there’s a “right” answer is not a good system for customization. The truth is, with stat point systems, they are simple math. It’s not hard to figure out what the absolute best choice is so we decided we didn’t want that as a customization system.
+<blue>Jay Wilson: Stat progression as a system is very difficult for a lot of players to understand because you get these 5 points, but you don’t exactly know where to put them or what benefit you’re getting with them. You might make some obvious choices, for example, with Diablo II’s Sorceress, you might put all of your points into energy because that’s the obvious choice, right? Except that for almost every build out there, you’ve just made the wrong choice. Any system where you have to go up onto the Internet to figure out what the right answer is, is not a good customization system. Any system where there’s a “right” answer is not a good system for customization. The truth is, with stat point systems, they are simple math. It’s not hard to figure out what the absolute best choice is so we decided we didn’t want that as a customization system.
-::With that being said, we do have another system we’re working on. The specific intent of it is to capture the imagination of what stat point spending was supposed to do, which is, “I want to be stronger. I want to be tougher.” These kind of simple ideas are not contextualized well within a skill system. The skill system is about what the player is doing, not higher ideals about what their character is. So, we’re going to work on a system that really satisfies that feeling, but is way easier to understand and also has some true customization to it.
-==Pre-Set Attribute Argument==
+With that being said, we do have another system we’re working on. The specific intent of it is to capture the imagination of what stat point spending was supposed to do, which is, “I want to be stronger. I want to be tougher.” These kind of simple ideas are not contextualized well within a skill system. The skill system is about what the player is doing, not higher ideals about what their character is. So, we’re going to work on a system that really satisfies that feeling, but is way easier to understand and also has some true customization to it.</blue>
-Much digital ink has been spilled on this issue, since it was revealed at Blizzcon, in October 2008. (The first word came from an interview by Diii.net, and immediately [http://forums.diii.net/showthread.php?t=699000 resulted in a 30-page forum]thread.) Some portion of that hew and cry was spurred by an initial misunderstanding; reporters assumed items would still have strength, dexterity, and other attribute requirements (they do not), but even with that issue clarified shortly after, the topic of pre-set attributes has remained a contentious one.
+==Pre-Set Attributes Removed==
+Much digital ink has been spilled on this issue, since it was revealed at Blizzcon, in October 2008. (The first word came from an interview by Diii.net, and immediately resulted in a [http://forums.diii.net/showthread.php?t=699000 30-page forum thread].) Some portion of that hew and cry was spurred by an initial misunderstanding; reporters assumed items would still have strength, dexterity, and other attribute requirements (they do not), but even with that issue clarified shortly after, the topic of pre-set attributes has remained a contentious one.
 There are a variety of arguments on each side of the issue. The debate was nicely encapsulated in an  [[On the Drawing Board]] column about pre-set attributes, from which the following bullet points are taken: [http://www.diii.net/blog/comments/on-the-drawing-board-4-preset-attributes]
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 ===Pros===
 * Manual setting is no longer needed, as there are no stat requirements on [[item]]s any more.
 * It's beginner friendly. New players won't ruin their characters with poor stat allocation.
 * Attributes were largely irrelevant in D2, since all characters with the same build used identical equipment and stat allocation. {{iw|Category:D2_strategy Typical D2 guide}} advice, "Enough strength for your heaviest item, then all the rest into vitality."
 * Enables easier/better game balancing for the developers, since they can know about how powerful characters will be.
 * Prevents twinking and other exploits by low level characters.
 * World of Warcraft uses auto-attributes, and it's the most popular RPG ever.
 * No need for attribute [[respec]]s, which would otherwise have to be incorporated since skill respecs will be.
 * It boosts the importance of items, since those and skills are what differentiates characters.
 * High level characters can use the items they find, since they won't, for example, be built with far too little strength for that cool new item they just found.
 * It respects traditional RPG philosophy of archetype characters in the sense of how a physical and mental ability of a class is supposed to be depending on its role. A Barbarian with ''very high'' Willpower or a Wizard with ''too much'' Strength really makes no sense from roleplaying perspective in a fantasy game.
 * It completely eliminates situations when people find a better items with more points in stat X and realize that they have one or more unnecessary invested points ''right now'' in stat X just because of these new items and those points ''could be'' relocated in other stat for better purpose. Maybe later on they will need those ''permanently invested points'' in stat X, but not ''right now''. The problem is that it will never end, until they will find all items perfect and reroll their characters.
 * Rerolling is fun but rerolling ''because of'' messed stats is not fun.
 ===Cons===
 * Reduced Character Variety. Unusual and non-cookie cutter builds need to allocate their attributes differently.
 * We won’t be noobs forever. Why gimp a major aspect of game play individuality when it won't be necessary once gamers have some experience?
 * No Attributes = No skill required. If players want to mainline strength and ignore vitality because they're good enough to survive with fewer hit points, or vice versa so they can play with a weaker, specialized build, why take away that option?
 * Rerolling is fun. Making new characters is a hallmark of the Diablo series. This isn't WoW where one high level character takes months to build, and then lasts forever with respecs.
+* What about [[hardcore]]? Hardcore characters want/need to be built very differently than softcore, since death is forever.
-* What about [[hardcore]]? HC chars want/need to be built very differently than SC, since death is forever.
 ===Blizzard's Response===
+The [[D3 Team]] never issued a formal, multi-point rebuttal, but they have commented on this issue a few times, being careful not to give away their plans for stat customization via systems, such as gems, traits, and the talisman, that they weren't yet ready to reveal.[ [http://www.diii.net/blog/comments/diiinet-jay-wilson-video-interview/]]
-The [[D3 Team]] never issued a formal, multi-point rebuttal, but they have commented on this issue a few times, being careful not to give away their plans for stat customization via systems, such as gems, traits, and the talisman, that they weren't yet ready to reveal.
+<blue>Jay Wilson: For the most part attribute spending in Diablo II was a great way, when you didn’t know how to play the game, to break your character. Most people didn’t know where to put them and when they found out the answer was always kind of weird like "Put 5 points in Energy and then all the rest of the points in Vitality."</blue>
-::'''Jay Wilson:''' For the most part attribute spending in Diablo II was a great way, when you didn’t know how to play the game, to break your character. Most people didn’t know where to put them and when they found out the answer was always kind of weird like "Put 5 points in Energy and then all the rest of the points in Vitality." [http://www.diii.net/blog/comments/diiinet-jay-wilson-video-interview/]
 The longest comment came from D3 Community Manager [[Bashiok]] who offered a detailed argument in a forum post in December 2008. [http://www.diii.net/blog/comments/the-next-gen-attributesystem/]
-Loss of character customization:
+<blue><b>Loss of character customization:</b><br>
+With the current skill system, runes, and item affixes, as well as other unmentionables, there’s not going to be any issue with not having enough customization. If there is, bottom line, we’ll add more. We’re not going to release a game we’re not happy with, and a lack of character customization options would make us unhappy. But, even right now we have a lot more variety and ability to customize a character than Diablo II had.
-::With the current skill system, runes, and item affixes, as well as other unmentionables, there’s not going to be any issue with not having enough customization. If there is, bottom line, we’ll add more. We’re not going to release a game we’re not happy with, and a lack of character customization options would make us unhappy. But, even right now we have a lot more variety and ability to customize a character than Diablo II had.
+<b>Odd character builds:</b><br>
+Similarly is being able to create “off-spec” builds, or characters that aren’t just cookie cutter ideals of the class you’re playing. This is important to the game, and we will ensure that it doesn't get "tuned out" of the game. ...Manual attributes were not what made them possible in Diablo II. The ability to make these types of characters relies solely on the complexity and diversity of the the options available to steer your character, and not that they come in the form of a "+" button.
-Odd character builds:
+<b>Less feeling of level up achievement:</b><br>
+The loss of a feeling of a leveling achievement is actually something we recognize and intend to address.
-::Similarly is being able to create “off-spec” builds, or characters that aren’t just cookie cutter ideals of the class you’re playing. This is important to the game, and we will ensure that it doesn't get "tuned out" of the game. ...Manual attributes were not what made them possible in Diablo II. The ability to make these types of characters relies solely on the complexity and diversity of the the options available to steer your character, and not that they come in the form of a "+" button.
+<b>We've always assigned our own points in Diablo games:</b><br>
+The nostalgia of simply having points, and spending them on base stats is probably the most difficult. Liking something because it’s familiar is difficult to argue with, but it’s also probably the easiest to overcome. Since we can’t force your memories out of you, we just have to make the best game we can and hope you realize that manual attribute assignment isn’t the best, most engaging or entertaining form of character customization possible, and that we’re offering an even deeper and richer game without those buttons.</blue>
-Less feeling of level up achievement:
-::The loss of a feeling of a leveling achievement is actually something we recognize and intend to address.
-We've always assigned our own points in Diablo games:
-::The nostalgia of simply having points, and spending them on base stats is probably the most difficult. Liking something because it’s familiar is difficult to argue with, but it’s also probably the easiest to overcome. Since we can’t force your memories out of you, we just have to make the best game we can and hope you realize that manual attribute assignment isn’t the best, most engaging or entertaining form of character customization possible, and that we’re offering an even deeper and richer game without those buttons.
-==Attributes in the Character Sheet==
-[[Image:Character_sheet_2010.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Character sheet from [[BlizzCon]] 2010]]
-The character sheet in Diablo III is similar to that found in Diablo II.
-While the character sheet shown displays the attributes prior to the attribute change, the interface itself isn't likely to change much before beta or release.
-Since the attributes have no secondary effects, the character sheet is likely to look a bit bare, but hopes are high that at the very least the [[LCS| Lying Character Screen]] won't return. It wasn't exactly a popular feature in Diablo II.
-Kind of similar to Diablo II, as well, are the two panes below the attributes and [[resistance]] icons which list precisely what effect the player is gaining from their attributes and [[item]] [[modifier]]s, pulling data not only from the attributes but also from the items worn, and likely as well, the [[trait]]s selected by the player.
+Though this issue continues to emerge in comments and forum posts, the Diablo 3 team has shown no inclination to undo their changes to this aspect of the game.
+==References==
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Core Attributes[edit | edit source]

Strength[edit | edit source]

Dexterity[edit | edit source]

Intelligence[edit | edit source]

Vitality[edit | edit source]

Other Attributes[edit | edit source]

Armor[edit | edit source]

Resistances[edit | edit source]

Critical Hit Chance[edit | edit source]

Critical Hit Damage[edit | edit source]

Core Attribute Changes[edit | edit source]

Attribute changes in 2012[edit | edit source]

Attribute changes in 2010[edit | edit source]

Pros[edit | edit source]

Cons[edit | edit source]

Old Attribute System[edit | edit source]

Even Older Attribute System[edit | edit source]

No Customizable Attributes[edit | edit source]

Pre-Set Attributes Removed[edit | edit source]

Pros[edit | edit source]

Cons[edit | edit source]

Blizzard's Response[edit | edit source]

References[edit | edit source]