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Death display in softcore.

Death in Diablo 3 is almost without penalty for Softcore characters. Players can resurrect at the last checkpoint or get a resurrection from another player, and in Diablo 3 version 2 and Reaper of Souls a "resurrect at corpse" option was added to enable players to pop back up right on the spot, after a five-second delay. Aside from the time delay the only death penalty is a 10% hit to item durability, which seldom amounts to more than a few thousand gold per death, even in quality end game gear. (This was not always the case, and shortly after Diablo 3's release repair costs were much higher.)

Hardcore mode is the exact opposite, and there death is permanent, with dead characters forever dead; rendered unplayable at the loss of all their equipped gear and the contents of their inventory. (Though the stash is account wide and anything left in it remains safe for other characters to access.)

When a character is very low on health, a reddish haze appears around the outside of the screen, providing an emergency visual indicator. The sound effects are tweaked also, with the sound of a heartbeat added to emphasize the danger of imminent death.

Narrowly surviving (with life below 5%) will generate a Survival Bonus, with Achievements for managing this trick multiple times.

Death and Difficulty[edit | edit source]

Pre-release, the D3 Team talked about balancing D3's combat to make a more gradual struggle. The developers attempted to limit health recovery with a cooldown on healing potions, less life steal than in Diablo 2, five-second casting time for town portals, and less spiky damage from monsters

Their efforts were not very successful in Diablo 3 vanilla, and players soon found that Life Steal + high damage was enough to almost guarantee immortality. Spiky damage was also an issue, without much steady damage to worry about, and many players geared in glass cannon style. This resulted in most players winning 99% of encounters without feeling any danger, and suffering an instant one-shot death to the other 1%. (Which was exactly the situation of Diablo 2 that the D3 devs had hoped to avoid.

This scenario was greatly improved upon in D3v2/RoS, with a total rebalance of the game's combat. Spiky damage from monsters was much reduced, life steal was reduced at 60 and removed at lvl 70, and much more premium was put on damage mitigation and gradual methods of healing (such as regen and Life per Hit). This resulted in a more tactical game play, with less squishy characters allowing for a wider variety of player builds and play styles.

Survival Bonuses[edit | edit source]

While the issue of death penalties was long-debated pre-game (see section below) the developers paid much less attention to Life Bonuses. These do not refer to the actual in-game bonuses granted for surviving after dropping below 5% or 10% hit points, but to game incentives granted to players who stay alive, and which are lost when they die.

Pool of Reflection.

Not suffering humiliation, delay, or repair expenses is one sort of Life Bonus, but the first actual game bonus feature came in the form of Pools of Reflection, which were added in D3v2 and are also seen in Reaper of Souls. These pools grant a +25% experience buff and can stack duration up to 10 times. They are lost when a character dies, and while this is some incentive to not die, many softcore players care little for them, since increasing the game difficulty another notch or two grants a far larger exp bonus, no matter how many times they die, than Pools of Reflection.

Pools work exactly the same in Hardcore, but there they provide all higher level characters what is essentially a permanent +25% experience buff.

Cheating Death[edit | edit source]

Several skills and passives offer characters ways to avoid otherwise certain death. These trigger some defensive property when a character drops below a minimum threshold of hit points, or actually bring a dead character back to life, though there are always lengthy cooldowns to prevent this from being used repeatedly.

Monk: Near Death Experience
- When receiving fatal damage, you are instead restored to 35% of maximum Life and 35% Spirit. This effect cannot occur twice in succession within 60 seconds.

Wizard: Unstable Anomaly
- When you receive fatal damage, you heal to 45% of your maximum Life and release a shockwave that knocks enemies back and slows them by 60% for 3 seconds. This effect cannot occur twice in succession within 60 seconds.

Witch Doctor: Spirit Vessel
- Reduces the cooldown of your Horrify, Spirit Walk, and Soul Harvest spells by 2 seconds. In addition, the next time you receive fatal damage, you automatically enter the spirit realm for 2 seconds and heal to 15% of your maximum Life. This effect cannot occur twice in succession within 90 seconds.

The Barbarian and Demon Hunter did not have such skills in Diablo 3 Vanilla, and the Crusader doesn't have one in Reaper of Souls.

D3v2 and RoS add numerous items that can avoid or cheat death, some of them class-specific, others viable for all classes. These items are of great use and value to Hardcore players.

Death Penalties[edit | edit source]

During Diablo 3's construction, the developers defended the lack of death penalties from players who worried that such a lack of penalty would encourage a very reckless, "all-DPS" style of play. As it turned out, the worried players were correct. Early Diablo 3 was very seldom in the desired goldilocks equilibrium. Most combat scenarios were very easy, and when things turned hard they tended to be instantly fatal, with very little in between.

Addressing this issue required many patches to smooth out the spikes in difficulty, a struggle that the developers made little progress in until the massive revisions of Diablo 3 version 2, nearly two years after the game's release.

Here follows a chronological collection of developer comments on their approach to death penalties and how that idea evolved during development.

Death and revive.

Bashiok also said this, regarding death in the BlizzCon 2008 demo:^[1]

We had a [[checkpoint]] system in the BlizzCon demo we showed, where you would die and pop back up at the last chekpoint you came across. Some of that was for the convenience of the demo, but we do like the checkpoint system and intend to carry that forward in the same or similar form. We're not looking toward corpse retrieval currently. Any death system we do have needs to allow players to get back into the action quickly, but not be so meaningless that you’re just flinging your corpse against a wall of monsters over and over until you finally get through.

Bashiok in September 2008^[2], when there were no death penalties at all in Diablo 3.

...we've found that a check point system works really well. Throughout your adventures, and generally at the ends of each "floor" of a dungeon your character is saved to a checkpoint. When you die you're dropped back at the last checkpoint with a small amount of health, and the rest regenerates slowly. It's obviously a very forgiving system as it is. It's just too early to put a ton of thought in to what penalties there should be, if any, added on top of it. Regardless, potential penalties aside, this is the death mechanic we're currently using and it's working really well so far.

Jay Wilson in August 2009.^[3]

We have not actually decided on the final death mechanic. I can guarantee that you will not lose experience. We are not urging to big penalties for death. But we want enough of a penalty to be there, so that death has meaning! Like to lose a little bit time, some kind of detriment... We do not currently have a durability loss (to equipment), but some kind of ... a gold cost is actually not so bad. And having the player to waste some time, that is certainly an element.
Generally we kind of rely on the effect that players do not want to die. You know, you just do not want to. So there is no real reason to add a further "ding" to them for something happening that was already unfavorable to them. But we have not got our final mechanics on that, yet.

Players asked about a gold penalty for death, and Bashiok commented on it in October 2010:^[4]

You lost gold when you died in Diablo II and it was still worthless. Losing gold on death isn’t a necessary sink to make it worth something. Balancing gains and expenditures properly will make it worth something.

Community Manager Bashiok in October 2010:^[5]

I don’t think death penalties need to edge into the ‘punishment’ definition (although I realize that’s a confusion of terms) to be worthwhile.

Making sure someone can’t endlessly throw themselves against monsters/die/repeat and eventually win is something we’d want to stop. To make the player take pause and realize they’re not going to get past them unless they straighten up and pay attention and play better, or take some extra measures to buff up, or simply come up with a different strategy, those are the types of death penalties that work. Those are the ones we like and that I’m talking about.

Taking gold away from people, or taking a full level of experience away, yeah, that’s a wake up call. It’s also the quickest way to get someone to uninstall the game. A very select few people will put up with something like that. It’s fine in Diablo II because gold has almost no use, but imagine if it did. You’d be encouraged through the mechanic to grind in easier areas where you’re sure you couldn’t die just so you could earn gold safely. That sounds terrible. Without a gold penalty you can play the content you want to play and meanwhile you’re finding items and amounts of gold that are relevant. That sounds like fun.

Their sentiments were admirable, but it proved entirely inaccurate in terms of how Diablo 3 vanilla developed. The game incentivized reckless, high risk/high reward play, and most players, at least in Softcore, found it wise to put most of their resources into offense. At least that was the way until Inferno or higher difficulty levels, when monster damage grew so high that players were constantly being one-shot killed, and that was frustrating in of itself, no death penalties or not.

This situation did not change appreciably until the major revision to the combat system in Diablo 3 version 2 in February 2014.

Death in the PvP[edit | edit source]

Dead Barbarian.

Death in PvP was a different issue, since there players are expected to die, and repeatedly if it's a death match style of combat. Thus penalties are not a useful feature or deterrent, since players are trying their hardest not to die already, as that's the whole point in dueling.

There were no death penalties for losing in the death match seen at Blizzcon demos in 2009 and 2010. The Arena did not make it into Diablo 3, but when brawling was added in late 2012 there were no penalties for dying in that form of PvP.

Dead, but only until the next round begins.

Hardcore Arena Death[edit | edit source]

There was something of a debate over death penalties for Hardcore players in PvP, and it is covered extensively in the Hardcore article. Suffice to say here that the majority of Hardcore players argued that there would essentially be no hardcore dueling if the only option was permanent death, and the developers ultimately came to agree with that view. Thus when PvP came to Diablo 3, if only in the brawling form, the rules were the same for Hardcore and normal characters; fight all you want, die all you want, without any lasting penalties.

Special Monster Death Animations[edit | edit source]

Diablo III has custom death animations for every type of monster in the game. One size does not fit all either, as monsters often die in different ways according to the type of damage that finishes them off. Monsters killed by poison emit greenish smoke, Arcane victims glow purple on the ground, Lightning killed monsters are blackened husks like Aunt Beru and Uncle Owen, etc.

Monsters that die to Critical Hits put on a special display and can be seen exploding into chunks, shattering into ice cubes, de-skinning themselves, etc, with the appropriate type of elemental effect usually added to the carnage. These special animations do not usually include bosses, who tend to have elaborate death animations that show more of their inherent nature than the type of damage that killed them.

Player Fatalities[edit | edit source]

Siegebreaker chomps.

Fan hopes were raised for special player death animations when the game debuted in 2008 with a gameplay video. In the conclusion of that video Siegebreaker inflicted a special decapitation kill to a Barbarian, and the developers said that Fatalities would be included in the game for some of the special bosses.^[6]

Will there be more boss-specific fatalities like the Barbarian head bite by Siegebreaker?
Bashiok: That's what we would like to do. We'd like it that when a player dies to a boss we may have a special/random event or death animation specific to that boss. So if you're going to die or have died to a boss, there's a random chance that you'll see something other than a normal death. That's the dream any way.

The Lead Developer Jay Wilson also made a good reply on this in BlizzCast Episode 6:

Well what we want to do with that, especially for particular bosses is have when essentially when the player is very low on health and they're about to die the boss essentially checks like when it attacks you, did I just do enough damage to kill you? And if so then instead of just doing his normal attack he'd actually play some kind of special I pick you up and eat you or I throw you up in the air and knock you around like a baseball or something like that. It's a system that really our announcement video we tested it for the first time, mainly just to see – can we actually do this kind of animation interaction between the characters but the actual system itself is still not in there but we do plan to do that and that's primarily where. We might do some other things, we've talked about physics based deaths we've talked about having the characters if they like die to a cold monster he might completely freeze solid into a statue and then shatter or things like that but we haven't decided at this point if that's exactly what we're going to do.

Sadly, this feature did not make it into the actual game, as revealed in January 2012. [1]

Unfortunately we never managed to get these implemented. They were a really cool idea, but a pretty huge amount of work. The one we showed of the [[Siegebreaker]] was a scripted sequence we set up specifically for that video. It was never implemented, and never actually worked without someone sitting there typing in a bunch of commands to get it all to fire off properly. It’s still something we’d like to do, though.

All things considered there are just higher priority tasks sometimes. We’d love, for example, to have the monk display his weapons during all of his skill animations. But it’s an enormous animation and effects investment to get it done, and we have to weigh all of these things against other features and polish. A lot of the skills we could improve have multiple animation sets, multiplied twice for each gender, and then multiplied by each weapon type he can equip. That can be 40 or more unique animations, and then there’s a full FX pass, approvals, QA testing, etc. etc. and that’d just be for 1 skill.

We have our wish lists, but it’s a balancing act of resources. Ideally our choices when balancing go toward setting realistic limitations, and producing the best game possible.

References[edit | edit source]

↑ Bashiok forum post - August 2008
↑ Bashiok forum post - September 2008
↑ Jay Wilson Interview - August 2009
↑ Bashiok forum post - B.net forums, October 25, 2010
↑ Bashiok forum post - Battl.net forums, October 5, 2010
↑ Bashiok forum post - August 2009

[1] Bashiok forum post - August 2008

[2] Bashiok forum post - September 2008

[3] Jay Wilson Interview - August 2009

[4] Bashiok forum post - B.net forums, October 25, 2010

[5] Bashiok forum post - Battl.net forums, October 5, 2010

[6] Bashiok forum post - August 2009

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-Death comes to us all, especially in Diablo III. The exact mechanism of death, corpse recovery, death penalties, and other related features have not yet been finalized, and likely will not be until the game is nearing release. We do, at least, have some information on those issues.
+[[File:Death-in-town2.jpg|thumb|300px|Death display in softcore.]]
+'''Death''' in Diablo 3 is almost without penalty for Softcore characters. Players can resurrect at the last checkpoint or get a resurrection from another player, and in [[Diablo 3 version 2]] and Reaper of Souls a "resurrect at corpse" option was added to enable players to pop back up right on the spot, after a five-second delay. Aside from the time delay the only death penalty is a 10% hit to item durability, which seldom amounts to more than a few thousand gold per death, even in quality [[end game]] gear. (This was not always the case, and shortly after Diablo 3's release repair costs were much higher.)
+[[Hardcore]] mode is the exact opposite, and there death is permanent, with dead characters forever dead; rendered unplayable at the loss of all their equipped gear and the contents of their inventory. (Though the stash is account wide and anything left in it remains safe for other characters to access.)
+When a character is very low on health, a reddish haze appears around the outside of the screen, providing an emergency visual indicator. The sound effects are tweaked also, with the sound of a heartbeat added to emphasize the danger of imminent death.
+Narrowly surviving (with life below 5%) will generate a [[Survival Bonus]], with [[Achievements]] for managing this trick multiple times.
 ==Death and Difficulty==
-The D3 Team has talked about balancing D3 to make it a more steady struggle, than was D2. The design goal with D3 is to make the game consistently challenging, rather than very easy most of the time, with spikes of super hard boss monsters, Iron Maiden curses, Cursed Stygian Dolls, etc.  To that end, [[potions|potion]] use will be greatly curtailed and life leech will be rare or non-existent. This will make healing from [[health globes]] the primary way to stay alive, and monsters will be balanced to drop health globes just often enough for players to survive, but not so much that they litter the screen after every skirmish.
+Pre-release, the [[D3 Team]] talked about balancing D3's [[combat]] to make a more gradual struggle. The developers attempted to limit health recovery with a [[cooldown]] on healing potions, less [[life steal]] than in Diablo 2, five-second casting time for [[town portal]]s, and less [[spiky]] damage from monsters
+Their efforts were not very successful in [[Diablo 3 vanilla]], and players soon found that Life Steal + high damage was enough to almost guarantee immortality. Spiky damage was also an issue, without much steady damage to worry about, and many players geared in [[glass cannon]] style. This resulted in most players winning 99% of encounters without feeling any danger, and suffering an instant [[one-shot]] death to the other 1%.  (Which was exactly the situation of Diablo 2 that the D3 devs had hoped to avoid.
+This scenario was greatly improved upon in [[D3v2]]/[[RoS]], with a total rebalance of the game's combat. Spiky damage from monsters was much reduced, life steal was reduced at 60 and removed at lvl 70, and much more premium was put on damage mitigation and gradual methods of healing (such as [[regen]] and [[Life per Hit]]). This resulted in a more tactical game play, with less [[squishy]] characters allowing for a wider variety of player builds and play styles.
+===Survival Bonuses===
+While the issue of death penalties was long-debated pre-game (see section below) the developers paid much less attention to Life Bonuses. These do not refer to the actual in-game bonuses granted for surviving after dropping below 5% or 10% hit points, but to game incentives granted to players who stay alive, and which are lost when they die.
+[[File:Pool-of-reflection1.jpg|thumb|Pool of Reflection.]]
+Not suffering humiliation, delay, or repair expenses is one sort of Life Bonus, but the first actual game bonus feature came in the form of [[Pools of Reflection]], which were added in D3v2 and are also seen in Reaper of Souls. These pools grant a +25% experience buff and can stack duration up to 10 times. They are lost when a character dies, and while this is some incentive to not die, many softcore players care little for them, since increasing the game difficulty another notch or two grants a far larger exp bonus, no matter how many times they die, than Pools of Reflection.
+Pools work exactly the same in Hardcore, but there they provide all higher level characters what is essentially a permanent +25% experience buff.
-==Death Penalties==
-The "Death Penalty" is the term used to describe the negative consequences imparted to the player when they are killed by monsters or other players. The most current info came from D3 CM [[Bashiok]], [http://www.diii.net/n/696684/bashiok-on-death-penalties on September 29, 2008]. According to him, there will be no actual death penalty in D3. Just a few seconds of downtime while a player runs from the respawn point back to the scene of the crime:
-::''...we've found that a check point system works really well. Throughout your adventures, and generally at the ends of each "floor" of a dungeon your character is saved to a checkpoint. When you die you're dropped back at the last checkpoint with a small amount of health, and the rest regenerates slowly. It's obviously a very forgiving system as it is. It's just too early to put a ton of thought in to what penalties there should be, if any, added on top of it.''
+===Cheating Death===
-::''Regardless, potential penalties aside, this is the death mechanic we're currently using and it's working really well so far.''
+Several skills and passives offer characters ways to avoid otherwise certain death.  These trigger some defensive property when a character drops below a minimum threshold of hit points, or actually bring a dead character back to life, though there are always lengthy cooldowns to prevent this from being used repeatedly.
-Another comment by Bashiok mentioned these checkpoints in relation to the [[BlizzCon 2008]] demo:[http://www.diii.net/blog/comments/what-happens-when-you-die/]
+* Monk: [[Near Death Experience]]
-::''We had a [[checkpoint]] system in the BlizzCon demo we showed, where you would die and pop back up at the last chekpoint you came across. Some of that was for the convenience of the demo, but we do like the checkpoint system and intend to carry that forward in the same or similar form. We're not looking toward corpse retrieval currently.''
+** When receiving fatal damage, you are instead restored to 35% of maximum Life and 35% Spirit. This effect cannot occur twice in succession within 60 seconds.
-::''Any death system we do have needs to allow players to get back into the action quickly, but not be so meaningless that you’re just flinging your corpse against a wall of monsters over and over until you finally get through.''
+* Wizard: [[Unstable Anomaly]]
+**  When you receive fatal damage, you heal to 45% of your maximum Life and release a shockwave that knocks enemies back and slows them by 60% for 3 seconds. This effect cannot occur twice in succession within 60 seconds.
-It's not known if this non-penalty will be increased to something with some more teeth on higher difficulty levels, or if any of the "staying alive bonuses" players have proposed will be implemented as well, to reward players for not dying, since the game isn't going to punish them for the failure that is death. One thing we do know is that there won't be any substantial death penalties (outside of Hardcore mode), since that's something D3 Lead [[Jay Wilson]] has stressed on several occasions.[http://www.diii.net/n/687801/jay-wilson-from-leipzig-5]
+* Witch Doctor: [[Spirit Vessel]]
+**  Reduces the cooldown of your Horrify, Spirit Walk, and Soul Harvest spells by 2 seconds. In addition, the next time you receive fatal damage, you automatically enter the spirit realm for 2 seconds and heal to 15% of your maximum Life. This effect cannot occur twice in succession within 90 seconds.
-::''"We have not actually decided on the final death mechanic. I can guarantee that you will not lose experience. We are not urging to big penalties for death. But we want enough of a penalty to be there, so that death has meaning! Like to lose a little bit time, some kind of detriment... We do not currently have a durability loss (to equipment), but some kind of ... a gold cost is actually not so bad. And having the player to waste some time, that is certainly an element. Generally we kind of rely on the effect that players do not want to die. You know, you just do not want to. So there is no real reason to add a further "ding" to them for something happening that was already unfavorable to them. But we have not got our final mechanics on that, yet.''
+The Barbarian and Demon Hunter did not have such skills in [[Diablo 3 Vanilla]], and the [[Crusader]] doesn't have one in [[Reaper of Souls]].
-This is the penalty for death in standard, "softcore" character mode. If there is a Hardcore mode, it will come with permanent death, as was the case in Diablo II.
+[[D3v2]] and [[RoS]] add numerous items that can avoid or cheat death, some of them class-specific, others viable for all classes. These items are of great use and value to Hardcore players.
-==Special Death Animations==
+===Death Penalties===
-[[Diablo III]] will have special animations for death in both [[monsters]] as regular player characters.
+During Diablo 3's construction, the developers defended the lack of death penalties from players who worried that such a lack of penalty would encourage a very reckless, "all-DPS" style of play.  As it turned out, the worried players were correct. Early Diablo 3 was very seldom in the desired [[goldilocks]] equilibrium. Most combat scenarios were very easy, and when things turned hard they tended to be instantly fatal, with very little in between.
-===Fatalities===
+Addressing this issue required many patches to smooth out the spikes in difficulty, a struggle that the developers made little progress in until the massive revisions of [[Diablo 3 version 2]], nearly two years after the game's release.
-[[Image:Mon-siegebreaker-decapitation.jpg|thumb|250px|Siegebreaker chomps.]]Besides the normal death animations, there are plans to include semi-random death animations that are keyed to special bosses, such as the amazing decapitation death [[Siegebreaker]] inflicted upon one of the Barbarians in the WWI Gameplay movie. D3 Community Manager [[Bashiok]] answered a question about this [http://www.diii.net/n/681638/bashiok-quick-answers in a forum post].
-::'''''Will there be more boss-specific fatalities like the [[Barbarian]] head bite by [[Siegebreaker]]?'''''<br>
+Here follows a chronological collection of developer comments on their approach to death penalties and how that idea evolved during development.
-::''That's what we would like to do. We'd like it that when a player dies to a boss we may have a special/random event or death animation specific to that boss. So if you're going to die or have died to a boss, there's a random chance that you'll see something other than a normal death. That's the dream any way.''
+[[File:Death-revive.jpg|thumb|250px|Death and revive.]]
+Bashiok also said this, regarding death in the [[BlizzCon 2008]] demo:<ref>[http://www.diii.net/blog/comments/what-happens-when-you-die Bashiok forum post] - August 2008</ref>
+<blue>We had a [[checkpoint]] system in the BlizzCon demo we showed, where you would die and pop back up at the last chekpoint you came across. Some of that was for the convenience of the demo, but we do like the checkpoint system and intend to carry that forward in the same or similar form. We're not looking toward corpse retrieval currently.
+Any death system we do have needs to allow players to get back into the action quickly, but not be so meaningless that you’re just flinging your corpse against a wall of monsters over and over until you finally get through.</blue>
+[[Bashiok]] in September 2008<ref>[http://www.diii.net/n/696684/bashiok-on-death-penalties Bashiok forum post] - September 2008</ref>, when there were no death penalties at all in Diablo 3.
+<blue>...we've found that a check point system works really well. Throughout your adventures, and generally at the ends of each "floor" of a dungeon your character is saved to a checkpoint. When you die you're dropped back at the last checkpoint with a small amount of health, and the rest regenerates slowly. It's obviously a very forgiving system as it is. It's just too early to put a ton of thought in to what penalties there should be, if any, added on top of it.
+Regardless, potential penalties aside, this is the death mechanic we're currently using and it's working really well so far.</blue>
+Jay Wilson in August 2009.<ref>[http://www.diii.net/n/687801/jay-wilson-from-leipzig-5 Jay Wilson Interview] - August 2009</ref>
+<blue>We have not actually decided on the final death mechanic. I can guarantee that you will not lose experience. We are not urging to big penalties for death. But we want enough of a penalty to be there, so that death has meaning! Like to lose a little bit time, some kind of detriment... We do not currently have a durability loss (to equipment), but some kind of ... a gold cost is actually not so bad. And having the player to waste some time, that is certainly an element. <br>
+Generally we kind of rely on the effect that players do not want to die. You know, you just do not want to. So there is no real reason to add a further "ding" to them for something happening that was already unfavorable to them. But we have not got our final mechanics on that, yet.</blue>
+Players asked about a gold penalty for death, and Bashiok commented on it in October 2010:<ref>[http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/blue-no-death-penalties-required-in-d3/ Bashiok forum post] - B.net forums, October 25, 2010</ref>
+<blue>You lost gold when you died in Diablo II and it was still worthless. Losing gold on death isn’t a necessary sink to make it worth something. Balancing gains and expenditures properly will make it worth something.</blue>
+Community Manager [[Bashiok]] in October 2010:<ref>[http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/blue-no-death-penalties-required-in-d3/ Bashiok forum post] - Battl.net forums, October 5, 2010</ref>
+<blue>I don’t think death penalties need to edge into the ‘punishment’ definition (although I realize that’s a confusion of terms) to be worthwhile.<br>
+Making sure someone can’t endlessly throw themselves against monsters/die/repeat and eventually win is something we’d want to stop. To make the player take pause and realize they’re not going to get past them unless they straighten up and pay attention and play better, or take some extra measures to buff up, or simply come up with a different strategy, those are the types of death penalties that work. Those are the ones we like and that I’m talking about.
+Taking gold away from people, or taking a full level of experience away, yeah, that’s a wake up call. It’s also the quickest way to get someone to uninstall the game. A very select few people will put up with something like that. It’s fine in Diablo II because gold has almost no use, but imagine if it did. You’d be encouraged through the mechanic to grind in easier areas where you’re sure you couldn’t die just so you could earn gold safely. That sounds terrible. Without a gold penalty you can play the content you want to play and meanwhile you’re finding items and amounts of gold that are relevant. That sounds like fun. </blue>
+Their sentiments were admirable, but it proved entirely inaccurate in terms of how Diablo 3 vanilla developed. The game incentivized reckless, high risk/high reward play, and most players, at least in Softcore, found it wise to put most of their resources into offense. At least that was the way until Inferno or higher difficulty levels, when monster damage grew so high that players were constantly being one-shot killed, and that was frustrating in of itself, no death penalties or not.
+This situation did not change appreciably until the major revision to the combat system in [[Diablo 3 version 2]] in February 2014.
+===Death in the PvP===
+[[File:Death-barb-arena1.jpg|frame|Dead Barbarian.]]
+Death in PvP was a different issue, since there players are expected to die, and repeatedly if it's a death match style of combat. Thus penalties are not a useful feature or deterrent, since players are trying their hardest not to die already, as that's the whole point in dueling.
+There were no death penalties for losing in the death match seen at Blizzcon demos in 2009 and 2010. The Arena did not make it into Diablo 3, but when [[brawling]] was added in late 2012 there were no penalties for dying in that form of PvP.
+[[File:Death-arena3.jpg|center|frame|Dead, but only until the next round begins.]]
+===Hardcore Arena Death===
+There was something of a debate over death penalties for Hardcore players in PvP, and it is covered extensively in the [[Hardcore]] article. Suffice to say here that the majority of Hardcore players argued that there would essentially be no hardcore dueling if the only option was permanent death, and the developers ultimately came to agree with that view. Thus when PvP came to Diablo 3, if only in the brawling form, the rules were the same for Hardcore and normal characters; fight all you want, die all you want, without any lasting penalties.
+==Special Monster Death Animations==
+[[Diablo III]] has custom death animations for every type of monster in the game. One size does not fit all either, as monsters often die in different ways according to the type of damage that finishes them off. Monsters killed by poison emit greenish smoke, Arcane victims glow purple on the ground, Lightning killed monsters are blackened husks like Aunt Beru and Uncle Owen, etc.
+Monsters that die to [[Critical Hits]] put on a special display and can be seen exploding into chunks, shattering into ice cubes, de-skinning themselves, etc, with the appropriate type of elemental effect usually added to the carnage. These special animations do not usually include [[bosses]], who tend to have elaborate death animations that show more of their inherent nature than the type of damage that killed them.
+===Player Fatalities===
+[[Image:Mon-siegebreaker-decapitation.jpg|thumb|250px|[[Siegebreaker]] chomps.]]Fan hopes were raised for special player death animations when the game debuted in 2008 with a gameplay video. In the conclusion of that video [[Siegebreaker]] inflicted a special decapitation kill to a Barbarian, and the developers said that [[Fatalities]] would be included in the game for some of the special bosses.<ref>[http://www.diii.net/n/681638/bashiok-quick-answers Bashiok forum post] - August 2009</ref>
+<blue><font color="#FFFFFF">Will there be more boss-specific fatalities like the Barbarian head bite by Siegebreaker?</font><br>
+Bashiok: That's what we would like to do. We'd like it that when a player dies to a boss we may have a special/random event or death animation specific to that boss. So if you're going to die or have died to a boss, there's a random chance that you'll see something other than a normal death. That's the dream any way.</blue>
 The Lead Developer [[Jay Wilson]] also made a good reply on this in [[BlizzCast Episode 6]]:
-::''Well what we want to do with that, especially for particular bosses is have when essentially when the player is very low on health and they're about to die the boss essentially checks like when it attacks you, did I just do enough damage to kill you? And if so then instead of just doing his normal attack he'd actually play some kind of special I pick you up and eat you or I throw you up in the air and knock you around like a baseball or something like that. It's a system that really our announcement video we tested it for the first time, mainly just to see – can we actually do this kind of animation interaction between the characters but the actual system itself is still not in there but we do plan to do that and that's primarily where. We might do some other things, we've talked about physics based deaths we've talked about having the characters if they like die to a cold monster he might completely freeze solid into a statue and then shatter or things like that but we haven't decided at this point if that's exactly what we're going to do.''
-[[Hardcore]] players might want to try out some softcore, just to run around and die in interesting ways.
+<blue>Well what we want to do with that, especially for particular bosses is have when essentially when the player is very low on health and they're about to die the boss essentially checks like when it attacks you, did I just do enough damage to kill you? And if so then instead of just doing his normal attack he'd actually play some kind of special I pick you up and eat you or I throw you up in the air and knock you around like a baseball or something like that. It's a system that really our announcement video we tested it for the first time, mainly just to see – can we actually do this kind of animation interaction between the characters but the actual system itself is still not in there but we do plan to do that and that's primarily where.
+We might do some other things, we've talked about physics based deaths we've talked about having the characters if they like die to a cold monster he might completely freeze solid into a statue and then shatter or things like that but we haven't decided at this point if that's exactly what we're going to do.</blue>
-===Critical Hit Animations===
+Sadly, this feature did not make it into the actual game, as revealed in January 2012. [http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/no-gruesome-character-death-animations-in-diablo-iii]
-Characters will also be able to see some extra gore when striking killing '''[[critical hit]]s''' on [[monster]]s. Extra blood, gore, as well as gameplay effects will take place whenever a critical hit is struck on an opponent.
-* '''[[Critical hit]]''' Article.
+<blue>Unfortunately we never managed to get these implemented. They were a really cool idea, but a pretty huge amount of work. The one we showed of the [[Siegebreaker]] was a scripted sequence we set up specifically for that video. It was never implemented, and never actually worked without someone sitting there typing in a bunch of commands to get it all to fire off properly. It’s still something we’d like to do, though.
-==Hardcore Mode==
+All things considered there are just higher priority tasks sometimes. We’d love, for example, to have the monk display his weapons during all of his skill animations. But it’s an enormous animation and effects investment to get it done, and we have to weigh all of these things against other features and polish. A lot of the skills we could improve have multiple animation sets, multiplied twice for each gender, and then multiplied by each weapon type he can equip. That can be 40 or more unique animations, and then there’s a full FX pass, approvals, QA testing, etc. etc. and that’d just be for 1 skill.
-The inclusion of a [[Hardcore]] character option is not yet confirmed, but the D3 Team has said they don't see any reason not to include it. Hardcore characters are exactly the same as regular characters, except that they are mortal. When they die, they stay dead. Forever. No restarting in town; no restarting anywhere. Dead hardcore characters were able to log back onto the Battle.net chat channels in D2, but they could not join or create games. It's not known how that feature might be handled in D3, if there's a more interactive chat room experience.
-From the [[WWI_2008:_D3_Design_Fundamentals_Panel|Diablo 3 Design Fundamentals panel]], at the 2008 WWI event:
+We have our wish lists, but it’s a balancing act of resources. Ideally our choices when balancing go toward setting realistic limitations, and producing the best game possible. </blue>
-::'''''Q: Will there be Hardcore mode?'''''<br>
+==References==
-::'''''A: '''We haven't decided yet, but I don't see why we wouldn't. It’s not a decision we need to make yet. We probably will, though.''
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