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Welcome 2

I had to archive my talk page, it was getting too long. Welcome to the new one, feel free to leave any messages at the bottom of the page!

You can find the old one here. Please don't edit that one! :P If you want to continue on older topics, make a new one and bring it up like if it was a new one. I brought over a few topics that are a bit recent.

Cheers! --Leord 14:34, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

Appreciation

Thank you for the touch-ups you did to the Alchemist page. As an English major, I was in agony over making such a mistake as putting "theirselves". If there are any other problems with the page, please feel free to correct them. I have not had much experience in writing webpages, but I am learning. Also, if you have any ideas, I am very open to imput. I do have a question: Is diablowiki.net connected to diii.net? I have noticed that my Alchemist page has appeared there as well, I wanted to make sure they were allowed to do so. -- 21:25, 8 July 2009 Kire

You're quite welcome! :) Any edits in the wiki, you can get help in the help section. As for Talk page comments, you can simply sign them with the press of a key, more info here.

Diii.net is running DiabloWiki, but the contribs here does not necessarily have any connections with Diii.net. As for classes, do you mean this one? Doesn't look like it's the same, other than the name. :) As for "allowed", I am not sure what you mean. It's the internet, and you probably don't have a trademark for Alchemist. ;) Other than that, we don't impose any special user rights other than normal law. --Leord 11:49, 9 July 2009 (CEST)

For what I can find, anything on this Wiki is completely uncopyrighted, so it's basically right-to-copy.

Somewhat related is the message above the Summary bar; "(see Project:Copyrights for details)". Redlink, oops? ;) --Vipermagi 15:31, 9 July 2009 (CEST)

I know there are some rights reserved, for legal reasons etc. But over all, it's a pretty open affair :) --Leord 15:41, 9 July 2009 (CEST)

Thanks again for clearing that up! And I do recognize that people are free to copy and edit anything on the site, so I'm not trying to lay claim to it. Sorry if I sounded like a jealous user -I think I was just shocked to see links to the Alchemist page on other sites so quickly. I need to also thank you for the link you gave me to the forum at Diii.net on Alchemists. I am now in touch with users with similar interests to my own! --Kire 11:27, 9 July 2009 (CEST)

Cool! Yeah, things I do tend to get popular quick. Great to be back online as well. Been a horrible 2 odd weeks! --Leord 13:51, 6 August 2009 (CEST)

Skill template

Holidays are boring.
Do you know approx. what skill pages you've created? I can spend some hours creating pages, since I have little better to do :P --Vipermagi 00:02, 20 July 2009 (CEST)

While I possibly have your attention: Special:Contributions/AlgetMonco → Vandal that dislikes you. --Vipermagi 11:29, 20 July 2009 (CEST)

Noticed. He's blocked now. I don't know if that helps. thatnks for keeping my talk page clean. Need to start archiving now as well :P

As for the skills, it's pretty easy to see which ones are made by looking at the skill navboxes for the wizard. I am literally doing one tree at the time, going through it from first to last :) --Leord 13:51, 6 August 2009 (CEST)

When I get some free time again (preparing for a LAN weekend atm :) ) I'll start with the Barbarian. *writes a note on his desktop* --Vipermagi 14:02, 6 August 2009 (CEST)

Absolutely awesome. As we finalize these, we'll start making more wiki updates on the front of Diii.net as well. We took a big hit for the downtime, no time to spare to get it back! --Leord 14:04, 6 August 2009 (CEST)

Synnargeez

Conjured_Health#Synergies. CH synergizes with Mirror Image, not the other way around; I figured that header would be for skills that synergize with the skill you're looking at? Makes more sense to me. What's your thoughts on this case? --Vipermagi 19:24, 6 August 2009 (CEST)

Well, my idea was to have the term "synergy" to basically list all spells that are directly related. I'm using an old term because people are familiar with it. I am fairly certain there will be no "generally synergistic" spells like in Diablo II. You will have the 1 Rank spells (for Wizard) and then the 15 rank Skills. Possibly 2-15 varies between skills, but that basic design. A bit like skills and talents in one tree, talking in WoW terms (I should make an article about that!). --Leord 14:30, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

What do you think? I am very open for suggestions at this stage :) --Leord 14:30, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

I just find listing affected skills on passives a bit redundant, since the direct effect is listed in both Background and Description.

Also, on skill ranks: Base will be 5 max, and it's possible to get a higher cap (10 and 15) for an X amount of skills (unknown X). --Vipermagi 14:51, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

We'll see about the base. Most Wizard skills are 15. As for listing, I like it. It's like the official list with all things affecting or affected by it. If someone wants to reference a spell, it's great to have it in a standardised place, if you can't be bothered to look for the link in BG/Description etc. --Leord 14:58, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

A Bashiok quote on skill point caps:

One important addition to this is the skill caps themselves. Currently we're envisioning the majority of skills to be capped at 5 points, to begin with. As a form of progression we're planning for players to be able to increase the point caps of skills. More than likely to a maximum of 15. It's a system that's still under heavy design, but the fact of choosing and increasing key skills beyond their initial cap is important to this new unified tier system.</pre>

So, most Wizard skills are actually 5 :P

As for the list: Okay. It's not like I'll die over the redundancy :) --Vipermagi 15:25, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

Cool. We'll we will have to update this as we move along. Could you make a short paragraph in the skills article about the tier system? --Leord 15:27, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

Skill / Skill tree / Tier

Skill#Earlier_Info has a link to Skill_tree which has info on Skill tiers.

We could either split up Skill tree and Tier into two articles, or keep it on one page. I'm fine with either (leaning slightly towards one page; A lot of small pages tend to be harder to navigate). Pick your poison. --Vipermagi 19:33, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

I was almost thinking we should include all pages to one, like skills and skill trees really are very closely related. either that, or a lot more interlinking and some sort of navigation. That page would be pretty long though...

If we just try to summarize the quotes a bit (since wikipedia and other wikis don't really quote much anyway), it would make the article a lot shorter... What are your thoughts? As it is now, it's definitely a little bit too confusing. --Leord 11:32, 10 August 2009 (CEST)

Just dumping the info on both pages together would make a huge article, yes, but it would have a ton of redundancy too. The page won't be all that long once you remove all the duplicate information (that's another pro of having 1 page over several: Less repeated info :) ). Then again, when is a page long, and when is it not?

We could make one page in the userspace or wherever to see how long it'd be after removing all redundancy. It would also be a better page for format testing than the page the site's visitors read ;)

In the end I'm for one page and redirects to that page (and headers on that page if they work). --Vipermagi 13:58, 10 August 2009 (CEST)

Oki, I agree. You think you got tome to do it? My next major DW push will be skills again. --17:14, 10 August 2009 Leord

I have a lot of Tomes to do stuff ;) Will get to skill pages tomorrow. by the way.

User:Vipermagi/Skill and User:Vipermagi/Skill2. The first is done (unless there's information missing currently?), the latter is not (yet). --Vipermagi 21:15, 10 August 2009 (CEST)

Looks very good. We will implement it a bit later then. :) One thing I didn't understand: What's left to do? --Leord 15:12, 12 August 2009 (CEST)

I have deleted skill tree and made all info on it available on Skill instead. It makes more sense, who would look at "skill tree" for that info anyway? --Leord 19:03, 16 September 2009 (CEST)

Skill table

Power of the Battlemaster now just has a bulleted list of it's effect. The header is misleading though, as it promised a table. Ideas? --Vipermagi 18:19, 11 August 2009 (CEST)

Yes, that's true. The idea is to have a table there in the future, and a bullet point list is what we do before we have proper info. I'd say we keep the name atm. Just so it fits when it's all "upgraded" properly.

On a sidenote, don't write <void> on Description. Just write what is known. Look at the Boilerplate:Skill/copy article, and use that as inspiration. You can always write something. Also, a little blurb at the top of the page is good as well. Just take the Boilerplate:Skill/copy one, and replace class, skills, and then add a few words at the end of it :) This will also make sure to put the infobox underneath the ad.

You can also add "(presumed)" for rank 4 and 5 of the skill, like I did with many of the arcane skills. If you have 3 ranks info, then you can probably figure out the other ranks stats. --Leord 15:12, 12 August 2009 (CEST)

Im back, baby!

Hey leord, im back... was absent because there werent any juicy news about diablo 3, so i went away... im like a bear, i do my thing during specific times... Anyway i have a few suggestions, then im off to editing some articles and adding new ones...http://www.diablowiki.net/skins/common/images/button_sig.png

A: This wiki needs an IRC channel, hosted on quakenet, if possible, it would be much easier for editors/people to go to the channel, and ask questions there... like how to edit articles, or to report any mistakes that we might have made... please say yes

B: There is no B...

C: No C too...

-- 12:53, 20 August 2009 DxAxxxTyriel

Hey man, nice to see you! :) At the moment, we don't have a IRC channel, but some sort of chat will come up later on. At the moment, I am mostly in the #StarcraftWire channel on Quakenet! --Leord 16:54, 20 August 2009 (CEST)

Monk

Hey dude, you mind if i do the Monk Class? i saw the Diablo 3 panel and WoW:C panels on Ustream, from a guy who was streaming the Pay-per-view thing.... can i? i have many pictures. --DxAxxxTyriel 00:53, 22 August 2009 (CEST)

Dude! Bloody good job on the Monk! And never ask permission to do anything in the wiki ;) You are always free to do anything (except mupping up content, ofc)! --Leord 12:19, 24 August 2009 (CEST)

Thx mate. --DxAxxxTyriel 15:56, 24 August 2009 (CEST)

Meli back....

Hi Leord,

I am back to do updates to both Wizard and Monk, from the large news posts on diii.net which detail the full skill trees. Alot to throw out and alot to add. I will leave all the skill pages that are becoming obsolete for the moment just as they. Might be reuseable when they change skill setup again. Otherwise i am updateing all the related pages and also navigation boxes where needed.

Been fiddling with Witch doctor and Wizard already. Will take 1-2 evenings to get it all done though.

regards, meli --Melianor 13:57, 31 August 2009 (CEST)

Hello Melianor, great to see you! (and the great updates!)

Yes, we'll keep/make skills of the old skills, but put them in an archive of some sort later on, so don't set any of them for deletion! :) I will join you in editing in a few minutes ;) --Leord 11:34, 1 September 2009 (CEST)

FAQ

FAQ changed ever so slighty. You can reach it's old contents here. --Vipermagi 21:25, 3 September 2009 (CEST)

Weird. I know the /FAQ is some special page in the wiki, not a regular article... --Leord 17:45, 4 September 2009 (CEST)

Diablo III FAQ: this is the actual FAQ. the FAQ article is some sort of special Wiki thing. --Leord 16:15, 8 September 2009 (CEST)

I know; that's why I linked you to the &edit page, so you could access the old information. I didn't know wether you might wanted to transplant it :> The DIII Faq has the same information, though, so I suppose you don't need it anymore. FAQ is also unlinked beyond this page, so all is well. Redirecting it didn't work, sadly. --Vipermagi 16:33, 8 September 2009 (CEST)

Yeh, no I think I tried fiddling with it last year, and gave up, adding a new FAQ with another name :) If you find out how to make use of FAQ, don't be shy :P --Leord 17:13, 8 September 2009 (CEST)

I can tell you no other wiki I visit uses the FAQ page at all (page never created), and none of those have the odd plain text. Since I can't: Maybe try a delete? --Vipermagi 18:41, 8 September 2009 (CEST)

It will likely just delete the article I made. The thing is, the site obviously redirects the FAQ url to some other place than the actual article. I have no idea why. --Leord 20:08, 8 September 2009 (CEST)

Some Problem...

A fan class has been popping up in all the class pages. I removed the links, and think it's just a mistake on the author's path. Maybe some editing is the Class Template page.Please check it out.--TheWanderer 05:47, 25 September 2009 (CEST)

After LOTS of problems, I fixed it all. I left messages a little bit of everywhere to explain it :) --Leord 14:30, 25 September 2009 (CEST)

New Fanmade Content

Hello everyone!
I am a self-taught artist. I just signed in Diablo Wiki and I still don't know how to operate here. I was invited here by Targetgamer. I have many ideas about Diablo 3 and I have posted them in the Battle.net forums. Targretgamer read them and invited me here. As soon i get used to the tools here I will post my ideas on this site. In the meantime you can see my ideas in the battle.net forums. I have ideas in both Suggestions and Diablo 3 forums. Some people there think that I am a spammer, because my post are too long. I hope that people here will be more patient and read more of my ideas.
Here are some links

A proposal for a new duel system in Diablo 3:

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=18031101457&sid=3000

Dragon Warrior - New class proposition:

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=19820550662&sid=3000

Dragon Warrior /Shinobi/ skills:

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=18313393127&sid=3000

New Monster Propositions with Concept Art for Diablo 3:

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=20133925237&sid=3000

Read some of my ideas and maybe post your opinion in the forum.

Hello, its Veskin7 Bukito again.
I forgot to add the last post.
View my idea for a new continent meant to be added in Diablo 3 expansion
Here is the link to the Diablo 3 forum:

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=19820550680&sid=3000

Enjoy!

-- Veskin7 Bukito 20:34, 29 September 2009

OH, awesome! I am actually Targetgamer on Battle.net. It's my old Starcraft nickname, but I go by Leord on most other places.

First off, general ideas and stuff is hard to add to the wiki, unless they have a popular support. However, stuff like monsters, we can make a page for, that looks like an official monster, but is more like a fan idea. I did this with fan classes, which has turned out marvellous. So basically, we could make a Fan class out of the Dragon Warrior. Just go to Fan class:Dragon Warrior, where I pasted a standardised text you can help me fill out.

You have basically everything ready to go, so it will mostly be copy+pasting. The standard text uses Wizard mostly, so you need to replace any Wizard skill names etc with Dragon Warrior skills. Now, if you have any self-made concept art, check out the help page called Help:Image, and add them to the wiki.

The background of the class needs more breaks, so it's not just one block of text. You need more air in it. Also, since Lut Gholein etc are real places, and Abd al-Hazir really exist in the gameworld, you can easily link to them in the wiki! Just check Help:Markup for how to make links!

If you need help, myself and others are around. Just post a comment on my talk page, most people follow that. My idea is that when you made a proper Fan class out of the Dragon Warrior, we'll move on to the monsters, and we'll create a system to make fan monsters as well. That way you get a dedicated page with a good design on the biggest Diablo info database, and you can easily link it on Battle.net forums, or other Diablo fan forums.

It's good if you fiddle around a bit before we start making a new type of page though :) --Leord 13:23, 30 September 2009 (CEST)

Also! I just thought about that wonderful map you made. I doubt enough other people will make additional world maps to be an actual new section of the wiki, but what you can do is heading over to Diii.net, which is the biggest Diablo fansite, and posting it in their fan art gallery and in the forum. I know Bashiok has said he visits the page. Same with the duel system suggestion. You will likely get much better discussion than on Battle.net, where there is a lot of trolls. --Leord 13:30, 30 September 2009 (CEST)

Thank you!

Thank you, Leord! I am really happy that you appreciate my effords.

My goal is to make Blizzard create the things I've invented or at least get their attention.

I will we very grateful if you help me with this.

I will be able to edit the Dragon Warrior, but this will happen after some days. I actually am a fan without PC - I have played Blizzard games in internet clubs and I post my stuff from a friend's computer, but I can visit him per two days for just 3 hours a day. That's why I will ask you to edit the page if you don't want to wait for me. You can contact me on my E-mail /listed on my profile/ to receive further information about the Dragon Warrior skills and different skill tree names which I heve not invented yet.

I'll be in touch. -- 20:29, 30 September 2009 Veskin7 Bukito

Cool man :)

I am unfortunately busy doing other things at the wiki, but I did start up the Fan class program here together with Holyknight3000. I can help you with technical stuff, but the actual content you need to add yourself. How come you don't have internet? o.O

Nice to see you around anyway, and just leave a message here if you have any questions or concerns. If you finish off the Dragon Warrior, I'll make sure to create a nice template for how to make monster after! :)

Also, don;t forget to sign your posts. If you are unsure how, check out Help:Talk. ;)--Leord 11:43, 1 October 2009 (CEST)

Diablo3wiki.org

Actually I didn't start a new wiki. It was already there. And I already have contributed on that wiki alot. I kinda tried to ressurect it from the dead, but I think that the wiki is a lost cause. I'll gladly contribute to this wiki. And if you need the help to manage this wiki, you can count me in. I do have some wiki experience(most of it is style related).

I guess I'll just ask if they can delete/merge diablo3wiki.org --Fighterbitsj 23:20, 1 October 2009 (CEST)

Awesome! :) I am so happy! We're not that many wiki enthusiasts that also like Diablo, so it seems silly to split the effort. Also, the DiabloWiki.net has roots back to 1998, with old Diabloii.net's info pages. A lot here is on Diablo2.Diablowiki.net, and info has been around for a decade.

Lots of it needs a facelift though, and lots of D3 info that needs adding :)

I'd say you should try to get www.diablo3wiki.org changed to redirect to DiabloWiki.net, and then just leave the Diablo 3 wiki on wikia. If anyone else finds it there and start edits, perhaps we can add them to the greater project here as well, like Vipermagi and you!

I'll start looking through all pages on Diablo3.wikia and try to get anything I can, besides images. Perhaps you can do a second trip to make sure we're not missing out on anything good? Next job here in DiabloWiki will be to update all monster pages to make sure they all use the boilerplate, and also add monsters we have concept art of, but no names. Best to have them in here, and we can just rename them and add some info if Blizz release lore material for it. --Leord 11:44, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

Do you work with Stub categories here? Or is it just search and rescue? If it is the last one I can upload stub templates. It's a bit easier because all still to be edited pages will all be put in one category --Fighterbitsj 12:27, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

There is just one Stub type category here at the moment. If you would like to help out making the art of stubbing more advanced, that sounds like a lovely idea. Make sure to explain any new stuff you make on the Help:Stub page as well. Easier to tell people what is new with that.

I have been meaning to do a stub facelift for ages, but I've not had the chance. Also, Templates in general need to be better categorised etc. You can see my work at structuring the wiki on Help:Structure. :) --Leord 12:31, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

By the way, I looked through the wiki, and added a little info on the Deckard Cain article, and some other minor things. Good to know we got it covered. :) --Leord 14:23, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

Gameplan

Uhm maybe it's a smart Idea to copy some templates from wikia. Or at least look if we can use some, or just look for Ideas?? :P --Fighterbitsj 17:14, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

Yeah, sure, for ideas if nothing else. I'd rather look at Wikipedia for guidance, though... My main point here was more the categorisation etc. But feel free to do it however you want.

As for templates, they are currently working pretty good, we just need to increase more navboxes, and my point was if we should categorise the templates, not so much taking anything from Wikia. :) What do you think? --Leord 17:25, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

Well catogorizing them should be no problem. Since collecting+updating our wikicontent wouldn't be much of a problem. I'd like to look for new styles. Because the first think I see when I go to main page (it might be just me) is a big mess. Only when I take a better look I find info. So we need to do something about that. If you like I can try making a entire new Mainpage (or entire new skin). Not that this skin is bad, it's good.. in fact it is very good. But it still can be perfected. And I'd like to start helping this wiki by making it easy to read/easy to find/easy to see info. Tell me what you think of it/what your gameplan is. I'd probably tag in on ya --Fighterbitsj 18:14, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

Remaking it completely seems like a very big job for something that isn't sure to have a great effect. I know we currently lack good navigation as it is. What would you primarily like to change on the front page? --Leord 18:18, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

For starters? Less links. and maybe lose the how to help and/or the did you know part? That makes it a lot easier to read --Fighterbitsj 19:59, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

Personally don't mind the HtH/DYK? sections. I do agree on the links-to-text ratio. It's a big brick of links currently. Changing the skill tree lists to a small line or note like the following could work:

For information on [[character]] [[skills]], check out the following pages:
*[[Barbarian Skills]]
*[[Monk Skills]]
*etc.

I'd be more inclined to read text than links myself.

On the other hand, I never use the main page (RC is my navigation tool), so I might not be the one to ask for help on organisation ^^" Meh, you guys decide what you want and I'll be fine with it regardless (unless you make it pink or blue). Just spouting ideas around randomly. --Vipermagi 20:08, 2 October 2009 (CEST)