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Diablo novel

2011-07-24T15:49:57Z

Zukker:

:''Were you looking for [[Book]]s or [[Tome]]s?''

There are several '''Diablo novels''' released, giving further depth to the Diablo universe. Up until [[WWI 2008]], these novels had no connection at all with the actual games, but Diablo III seems to be the first of the games with information from the books actually put in the game.

Additional novels are planned for release after Diablo III, all written by [[Richard Knaak]]. [http://www.blizzplanet.com/blog/comments/diablo_the_sin_war_trilogy___public_qa_with_richard_a_knaak]

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{{Novels}}

==Diablo Novels==

These novels are all considered canon, though ''Demonsbane'' and ''Legacy of Blood'' tell smaller, self-contained stories that do not have much to do with or further the larger game plot. The Sin War trilogy develops much of the world lore and backstory of the creation of Sanctuary, plus the eternal struggle between the Burning Hells and High Heavens, and is considered the lore and canon that leads directly into the plot of Diablo III, with some small [http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/bashiok-on-act-3-and/ retcon adjustments] here and there.

* [[Diablo:_Demonsbane|Demonsbane]] (2000)
* [[Legacy of Blood]] (2001)
* [[Diablo:_The_Black_Road| The Black Road]] (2002)
* [[Kingdom of Shadow]] (2002)
* [[Moon of the Spider]] (2005)
* [[Birthright|Diablo: The Sin War: Book One: Birthright]] (2006)
* [[Scales of the Serpent|Diablo: The Sin War: Book Two: Scales of the Serpent]] (2007)
* [[The Veiled Prophet|Diablo: The Sin War: Book Three: The Veiled Prophet]] (2008)

The Sin War novels developed the early lore and story of the Diablo universe and were written to tie into the ongoing story, as it will be developed in Diablo III. They were a collaboration between [[Chris Metzen]] and their author, [[Richard Knaak]].[http://www.blizzplanet.com/blog/comments/diablo_the_sin_war_trilogy___public_qa_with_richard_a_knaak]

::''How much of the book is creation of yours, and how involved is Chris Metzen behind the canon storyline of Diablo: The Sin War Trilogy? Do you think the ramifications of this book impact in the storyline of Diablo 3 the game?

::'''Knaak:''' This is a pure collaboration between myself and Chris Metzen/Blizzard. All that is written is passed by him and the others there. This will be canon and has adjusted earlier info. The ramifications here will be used for any future project … and I ain’t writing for a dead game. smile

Blizzard has not confirmed that we will see additional novels released after Diablo III, though it seems a fairly safe bet.

===Diablo Comics===
One issue of a stand-alone Diablo comic was published in 2001. The stories were not connected to the larger game plot, instead serving to flesh out the world of Sanctuary in non-essential fashion.
* Tales of Sanctuary (2001)

==Background==
They are all official [[Blizzard Entertainment]] Novels of the Diablo universe and franchise. The first novel published was [[Diablo: Demonsbane]] as an ebook novella. Demonsbane did not sell well in ebook form (that was early in the dawn of that format), it was fairly widely read online, and its inclusion in the Diablo Archive has boosted awareness of the story.

Subsequent titles have sold fairly well, in paperback form.

==Diablo 3 Plot==
How tightly the story developments in the various novels will tie into the plot of Diablo 3 is not yet known, but they are pat of the same storyline. The events in the recent series of books took place thousands of years before the "current" events of Diablo 3, so the connection isn't direct. It likely will be for future Diablo Novels, though.

[[Leonard Boyarsky]] spoke on this in an October 2009 interview. [http://hellforge.gameriot.com/blogs/Hellforge/Diablo-III-The-Lore-of-the-World-An-Interview-with-Leonard-Boyarsky/page2]

::'''''Hellforge:'''Speaking of background lore and all that, to what extent will the books from Richard Knaak’s Sin War Trilogy be a part Diablo III’s storyline/setting. I mean, are you guys taking anything from it at all?

::Leonard Boyarsky: Well, nothing specific. It happened 3,000 years before the events of the Diablo games, but it is… it was our attempt to really kind of get out there – you know, with some of the history of the world and kind of codify the lore to a certain degree. It’s been awhile since I read them. I’ve actually read all of them, and I helped during the process of them.

::Chris Metzen worked closely with him to make sure that his vision for what the Sin War was all about was really put forward there so the history is – maybe some of the particulars might not be exactly the way they end up being presented, but as far as the overall details and the overall thrust of the story, that’s lore... our core lore, I guess. And we’re – I don’t know if we’ll refer to them specifically, but that’s definitely like background into what we’re doing if that makes any sense.

==What is Canon?==

The [[D3 TEam]] has disowned plot and world events from some of the early Diablo products, and done fairly extensive [[retcon]]ing to even the plot developments of the earlier games themselves. This was necessary since the world story, as presented in Diablo I (and to a lesser extent in Diablo II) was largely invented as the game was being made. The creators didn't give a lot of thought to the larger world fiction, carried over a lot of real world material (the [http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/diablo-iii-should-have-pentagrams/ heavy Christian influence] on Sanctuary's art and decoration), and didn't plan out the story very far ahead.

This drove the fiction into some dead ends, which had to be expanded upon greatly in the Sin War novel trilogy, and created some issues for the further expansion of the world story and plot in Diablo III and its planned sequels and external story properties. (More Diablo novels are planned, and likely other forms of media as seen in the Starcraft and Warcraft univeses; comics, manga, trading card games, and more?)

Bashiok addressed the state of the canon in the forum post in January 2011, in which he addressed an error on the first version of the [[world map]], and their plans to address it. [http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/diablos-evolving-historical-canon/]

<blue>The Sin War trilogy was really the beginning of what is now considered canon for the lore of the series. While the previous books certainly have a lot of great stories, information, and even bits and pieces that may indeed hold true in the series as it is now, they aren’t held as canon and thus the events in them may not always hold true moving forward.</blue>

===Not Hellfire===

{{iw|Hellfire Hellfire}}, the Diablo I expansion pack produced by Sierra in conjunction with Blizzard North, is no longer considered canon. The game boss {{iw|Na-Krul Na-Krul}} was always fairly obviously tacked on, but the Monk character seemed fairly organic to the Diablo world. No longer, and as a result the Diablo III Monk is considered an original character, with no connection to the {{iw|monk Monk of Hellfire}}.[http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/bashiok-on-the-monk-and-cluttered-visuals/]

<blue>It's not a recognized part of the Diablo franchise, and to be honest it is so much so not recognized, that when people asked about returning classes in the Q&A's and in some of the press interviews the Hellfire expansion just wasn't in anyone's minds. 

Plus, it isn't the same class. We aren't taking an old class and updating it. The monk from Hellfire, and in fact the story and content of Hellfire, doesn't exist as far as game lore and story is concerned going into Diablo III.

They happen to share a name, the same as all of the other monk classes that have existed in all other RPG's since the beginning of time. It doesn't mean they're related kit/story/flavor wise.</blue>

==Reference==
* [http://hellforge.gameriot.com/blogs/Hellforge/Diablo-III-The-Lore-of-the-World-An-Interview-with-Leonard-Boyarsky/page2 Leonard Boyarsky Interview Oct 2009]

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Talk:Ureh

2010-08-12T17:35:43Z

Zukker:

==Gateway to hell==

As I haven't read the books, the knowledge of this "gateway to hell" matter comes from a forum post. If someone has read the books, please edit the passage with more knowledge. --[[User:Mouseman|Mouseman]] 10:13, 23 August 2008 (CEST)

==Expanding This Topic==

This topic seems very...empty, eventhough it has a book dedicated to it. I've started working on little more information regarding the topic of the book, I don't know when it will be completed or if it's any good. But a little something is coming. --[[User:Zukker|Zukker]] 13:40, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

:That sounds awesome. I was thinking of doing that at some point myself. Start just adding notes as you come across it in the book, and we'll make a full on Diablo: IncGamers special out of it when you're done! :) You can decide for yourself if you want to receive credit or not. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 10:56, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

::You're welcome to help if you wish and find time :) Since I suck :P --[[User:Zukker|Zukker]] 12:18, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

:::This have been put on hold at this moment (blame starcraft 2) since I can't find free time to actually get it done, I haven't left the topic but I have put it on hold. --[[User:Zukker|Zukker]] 17:35, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Ureh

2010-07-26T12:18:37Z

Zukker:

Septumos

2010-07-25T12:33:25Z

Zukker: Created page with 'A Seven-Eyed Demon. Used by Quov Tsin as a cursing word. This could be a possible Demon in Diablo III ==Reference== [[Diablo:_The_Kingdom_of_Shadow|Diablo:The Kingdom …'

A Seven-Eyed Demon. Used by [[Quov Tsin]] as a cursing word.

This could be a possible [[Demon]] in Diablo III

==Reference==
[[Diablo:_The_Kingdom_of_Shadow|Diablo:The Kingdom of Shadow]]

Quov Tsin

2010-07-25T12:29:16Z

Zukker:

'''Quov Tsin''' is a [[Vizjerei]] sorcerer who does not appear in-game in Diablo 1 or 2 but may make an appearance in D3.

Quov Tsin is bald and a sorcerer of the [[Innermost Circle]]. Brother of the [[High Initiate]].

In [[Diablo: The Kingdom of Shadow]], he wants to find the portal to [[Heaven]] through the fabled city of [[Ureh]].

Aided by [[Kentril Dumon]] and his mercenaries, including [[Gorst]], the [[Barbarian]], he sets out to find the city.

Unknown to him the city, is watched over by [[Zayl]], a [[Necromancer]].

<blockquote style=" border: solid thin grey;">
Some of the spellwork used by [[Quov Tsin]] to gain access to [[Ureh]]

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Basara Ty Komi 
Basara Yn Alli! 
Gazara! Wendo Ty Ureh! 
Magri! Magri.....Lucin Ahn! Lucin---" 
Protasi!Ureh! Protast! 
Ureh! 
Ureh Aproxos! 
</blockquote>

==References==
[[Diablo:_The_Kingdom_of_Shadow|Diablo: The Kingdom of Shadow]]

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[[Category:NPCs]]
[[Category:Possible NPCs]]

Kentril Dumon

2010-07-25T12:21:39Z

Zukker:

'''Captain Kentril Dumon''' was a mercenary with light brown hair from [[Westmarch]]. He led his group of 15 mercenaries to escort their new employer [[Quov Tsin]], a [[vizjerei]] mage, to the fabled lost ruins of [[Ureh]]. None of them knew where it was located, but followed the vizjerei who had studied various centuries-old scripts and scrolls written by [[Gregus Mazi]], the only survivor of Ureh.

Captain Dumon had two loyal and trust-worthy friends among his mercenaries to which he would delegate the most important and private tasks. [[Gorst]] the bronze-skinned giant and the young [[Albord]].

His love for [[Atanna]], the princess of Ureh and daughter of [[Juris Khan|Lord Juris Khan]], was the doom of his companions. Only Kentril Dumon and [[Zayl]] the necromancer survived their adventure within the lost city of Ureh. Captain Dumon appears in [[Diablo: The Kingdom of Shadow]]. by Richard A. Knaak.

==References==
* [http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?z=y&EAN=9780743426923&itm=5&afsrc=1&lkid=J14955628&pubid=K95257&byo=1 Diablo: The Kingdom of Shadow]

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Talk:Ureh

2010-07-24T13:40:52Z

Zukker:

Talk:Ureh

2010-07-24T13:40:22Z

Zukker:

User talk:Leord

2010-07-19T10:10:15Z

Zukker:

{{:User:Leord/Talk navbox}}

==Welcome 3==
I had to archive my talk page even further, as it was once again getting long. Welcome to the new one, feel free to leave any messages at the bottom of the page!

You can find the old ones above on the navigation. Please don't edit those one! :P If you want to continue on older topics, make a new one and bring it up like if it was a new one. I brought over a few topics that are a bit recent.

Cheers! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:50, 12 July 2010 (UTC)--[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:34, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

== Holy fishes ==
I peek back and find.. 1500 spam posts. I don't think blocking the individual accounts will help much; they seem to make an account per post. Semi-blocking account creation (putting the Page Creation right into a usergroup that's only granted to real users by hand) for a few days may or may not help; it would at least stop them from making more pages. I don't think you're going to be able to wait this one out. 
Also, are you going to delete the spam pages, or just leave them there? (just curious) --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 10:52, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

:Hey man! Indeed so. We've been spammed. Not 1500, more like a few hundred (280 or so). I have now manually banned them all, I hope no real users were banned in the process. Will start deleting pages now. Rushster was adamant to not have manual confirmation of users, so that's not happening, but he has installed Re-Captcha, and the second that went live, it seemed to stop, so good tidings. This could have gone on for a week if we were unlucky!

:I Don't think you have permissions to delete pages, but if you do, go ahead and help me delete them. :)

: PS, you like the new navboxes? :)--[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:36, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

::WOW! I went to do my daily web surf and saw that stack of deleted pages and... just WOW! I'm speechless...
::--[[User:Belushi81x|belushi81x]] 15:33, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

:::Lol, tell me about it! It's a full day's work just getting rid of the SHITsters. God, I am pissed off at the moment. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 15:39, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

::::Yeah, 1500 was a... slight hyperbole :) Good to hear the spambot(s) has (have) been stopped.
::::I cannot delete pages. Way back then you couldn't find the user rights page, and then we derailed the topic I think. Oh well, doing fine without :P
::::Not sure which navboxes you are referring to. Haven't really looked at content pages lately because Blizzard hasn't really released anything (anxiously awaiting BlizzCon), so if you're referring to navboxes on content pages, I haven't seen them yet. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 18:59, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

:::::Well, I [http://diablowiki.net/index.php?title=Special%3AUserRights&user=Vipermagi know how to do it] now, but that means you'd have Admin rights. I trust you, but I don't think we can make you admin, as you're not THAT much in to the whole thing, and we haven't spoken that much... I'll have to discuss with Flux & Elly :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:32, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

::::::But you forgot how to link ;) You guys should be able to make another usergroup that only has Delete rights, or anything else really. As for my interest, I still check pretty much every non-fanmade-space edit that pours through the wiki. I'm no good at adding content, though (what, where, how? No idea), so I don't make many edits. With new content comes new typos however, and that's the gist of what I've fixed up around here ^^
::::::So how about those navboxes you mentioned?
::::::EDIT: Oh. The class navbox, I presume. That's pretty awesome. Personally find it a tidbit annoying that the size of it changes dynamically due to the tabbing and different sizes of those, but it's a minor issue at best. Now to hope the spell names don't go too long so the box doesn't stretch in width :) --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 18:19, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

:::::::Personally, I don't mind much, but I can see your point. As for the skills, there's no other plausible way, and also, no point in spending loads of time on something that will change in October. I'd much rather re-visit it then. I don't think spell names will be a major deal tbh. Will just have to change the cell widths about a bit if that's the case. OR, if it's a long name, it's usually multiple words, not one long word, so it will break to two lines or the like.

:::::::As for edits, what about you perhaps help me with like making individual item pages for Uniques and Set items in the D2 wiki? It's a fairly straight-forward job, and mostly copy+pasting. Not likely you will make mistakes. ;) It's not great fun, but very very useful in the long run. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 10:28, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

::::::::What where and how? :p --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 16:12, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

==Uniques and Set Items==
Like [http://diablo2.diablowiki.net/Special:Contributions/Leord this], the Trang-Oul stuff etc. All those items. I have made some quite advanced templates for it, that will work for D3 later as well (hopefully).

:So I take, for example, [http://diablo2.diablowiki.net/Bul-Kathos%27_Children BK's two swords]. I put the two swords on the Set page in the new template (ex. [http://diablo2.diablowiki.net/index.php?title=The_Disciple&diff=next&oldid=18946 here]), create two new pages (1 per sword), and put the sword data and background in a mold (ex. [http://diablo2.diablowiki.net/Telling_of_Beads here]).
:Did I get that right, miss anything? --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 16:29, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

::Yes, awesome, it's amazing to ask someone to do something and they understand without massive explanations! :D However, if you do have questions on how some of the templates work, ask me. There might be info missing on the help sections. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:31, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

:::I guess previous experience with content splitting helps a little ;) I'll drop you a line somewhere if I can't figure it out. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 16:33, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

::::Massive love your way man. I'd really liked to have been done with it ages ago, but just have not had the time!

::::It may look a little bit weird without "background", but you can probably find most of the lore for these things, if they exist, in the D3Wiki, or else just leave it looking a little weird, and I can help with lore.

::::I suggest just making one piece of background for all of the pieces, and paste it in, to save time, that's what I did. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:38, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

:::::How do I list 1h ''and'' 2h damage in the Itembox? Looked around the code, but it seems to only accept two values; melee once and ranged once. BK's Sacred Charge can be wielded in one hand as well. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 17:05, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

::::::Long story short: I had to go (which is why I didn't get other sets done today), so I kept the edit hoping for the 2h/1h damage business to be explained, and now I have to shut down the computer. I'm going to save the edits, and check back tomorrow. Additionally, I'll probably split a couple other sets as well tomorrow. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 20:37, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

::::::Oki, seems I missed that then. I'll try to fix it asap. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 09:18, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

::::::I have updated the itembox now: Just use the same damage indicator as the old, but add "_1h_" in it. Juct check {{iw|Template:Itembox Template:Itembox}} for the legend of how to do it. Other than that, I also wanted to compliment you on your progress. Very well done! :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:54, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

:::::::Thanks (twice) <3 Updating BK's again. I plan to do one set a day, more if I have time to kill.
:::::::Also; I didn't know all sets were 1.10, so I ?'d that one. Meant to ask that, but must've forgotten. Well, you spotted it :) Will keep it in mind for the next set(s).
:::::::Something is causing a major break on Arcanna's Tricks, though. I have no idea what :( --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 12:57, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

::::::::On it, will shortly make another comment here, just informing you I am on it, found the cause. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:31, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

::::::::Oki. First off, is there no chance to talk to you directly with icq or msn? Would make things a LOT easier! :P Secondly, I have a few comments. I do NOT know they are all Patch 1.10, but if you add a "?", it kind of fucks up. I am fairly certain they are all 1.10, so if they are not, more skilled people than us can update them imho. If we choose not to display patch, just comment out that choice instead of "?".

::::::::* All items '''must have an ilvl''' at the moment, that is why some pages fuck up. I will fix it shortly. In either way, even later, make sure that ilvl is commentated out, not set to "?" as it fucks up the templates and categories.
::::::::* Type = item type - What I mean is that "type" in the list is the sort of item, not slot. At one place you set "Main Hand" for type, where it probably needed to be "Sword".
::::::::* Check out {{iw|M%27avina%27s_Battle_Hymn M%27avina%27s_Battle_Hymn}}, which is the closest to perfect a set can come.
::::::::* Will get right on the ilvl bugs now :)
::::::::--[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:36, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

::::::::FIXED! :) Now I'm just gona work on the categories, so they work when no ilvl is added.--[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:42, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

::::::::Oki, thanks for a nice chat on MSN. :) I have updated the articles {{iw|Arcanna's_Tricks Arcanna's Tricks}} articles, and set an example there. Now we just need to do the rest.

::::::::I will be focusing on nav boxes for the next few weeks, but I will be keeping an eye on what you're doing, and don't hesitate to contact me again on MSN or here. I'll see you tomorrow. :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 17:05, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

==MSN==
You can add me on MSN if you want. I have my status set to Offline by default, and may or may not respond in a timely fashion. Left my adress in a comment. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 13:49, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

: Weeee! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:55, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

==Monster Pictures DII==
I added some pictures to some demons at the d2 wiki, think most of the demons have pictures now. But for some reason I didn't manage to place the pictures correctly, they just ended up behind some text and what not. So i put them under statistics which probably isn't the best position, but what the hell, it's better than no picture at all! Someone who knows this better than me are free to fix it :) --[[User:Zukker|Zukker]] 11:07, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

:Oh, brilliant. Should not have been missing in the first place, ofc! :) One idea is to simply put them at the very very top of the page, with this code: <nowiki>[[File:VenomLord.jpg|thumb|right|Venom Lord in-game]]</nowiki> Like, put it on the first line, and have just one line break before the rest of the text and wiki code. Take a look at [[Megademon]] for an example - I updated it.

:Also, while you're at it, could you fix wrong headlines? Like when they have <nowiki>=</nowiki> instead of <nowiki>==</nowiki>... You basically just add one "<nowiki>=</nowiki>" per headline. :)

:--[[User:Leord|Leord]] 09:15, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

::Fixed both the images and the headlines, hope things look better :). There is a lot of monsters that is missing images. I'll see when I have more time on my hands to fix those.

::--[[User:Zukker|Zukker]] 10:10, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

User talk:Leord

2010-07-18T11:07:24Z

Zukker:

{{:User:Leord/Talk navbox}}

==Welcome 3==
I had to archive my talk page even further, as it was once again getting long. Welcome to the new one, feel free to leave any messages at the bottom of the page!

You can find the old ones above on the navigation. Please don't edit those one! :P If you want to continue on older topics, make a new one and bring it up like if it was a new one. I brought over a few topics that are a bit recent.

Cheers! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:50, 12 July 2010 (UTC)--[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:34, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

== Holy fishes ==
I peek back and find.. 1500 spam posts. I don't think blocking the individual accounts will help much; they seem to make an account per post. Semi-blocking account creation (putting the Page Creation right into a usergroup that's only granted to real users by hand) for a few days may or may not help; it would at least stop them from making more pages. I don't think you're going to be able to wait this one out. 
Also, are you going to delete the spam pages, or just leave them there? (just curious) --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 10:52, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

:Hey man! Indeed so. We've been spammed. Not 1500, more like a few hundred (280 or so). I have now manually banned them all, I hope no real users were banned in the process. Will start deleting pages now. Rushster was adamant to not have manual confirmation of users, so that's not happening, but he has installed Re-Captcha, and the second that went live, it seemed to stop, so good tidings. This could have gone on for a week if we were unlucky!

:I Don't think you have permissions to delete pages, but if you do, go ahead and help me delete them. :)

: PS, you like the new navboxes? :)--[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:36, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

::WOW! I went to do my daily web surf and saw that stack of deleted pages and... just WOW! I'm speechless...
::--[[User:Belushi81x|belushi81x]] 15:33, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

:::Lol, tell me about it! It's a full day's work just getting rid of the SHITsters. God, I am pissed off at the moment. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 15:39, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

::::Yeah, 1500 was a... slight hyperbole :) Good to hear the spambot(s) has (have) been stopped.
::::I cannot delete pages. Way back then you couldn't find the user rights page, and then we derailed the topic I think. Oh well, doing fine without :P
::::Not sure which navboxes you are referring to. Haven't really looked at content pages lately because Blizzard hasn't really released anything (anxiously awaiting BlizzCon), so if you're referring to navboxes on content pages, I haven't seen them yet. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 18:59, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

:::::Well, I [http://diablowiki.net/index.php?title=Special%3AUserRights&user=Vipermagi know how to do it] now, but that means you'd have Admin rights. I trust you, but I don't think we can make you admin, as you're not THAT much in to the whole thing, and we haven't spoken that much... I'll have to discuss with Flux & Elly :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:32, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

::::::But you forgot how to link ;) You guys should be able to make another usergroup that only has Delete rights, or anything else really. As for my interest, I still check pretty much every non-fanmade-space edit that pours through the wiki. I'm no good at adding content, though (what, where, how? No idea), so I don't make many edits. With new content comes new typos however, and that's the gist of what I've fixed up around here ^^
::::::So how about those navboxes you mentioned?
::::::EDIT: Oh. The class navbox, I presume. That's pretty awesome. Personally find it a tidbit annoying that the size of it changes dynamically due to the tabbing and different sizes of those, but it's a minor issue at best. Now to hope the spell names don't go too long so the box doesn't stretch in width :) --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 18:19, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

:::::::Personally, I don't mind much, but I can see your point. As for the skills, there's no other plausible way, and also, no point in spending loads of time on something that will change in October. I'd much rather re-visit it then. I don't think spell names will be a major deal tbh. Will just have to change the cell widths about a bit if that's the case. OR, if it's a long name, it's usually multiple words, not one long word, so it will break to two lines or the like.

:::::::As for edits, what about you perhaps help me with like making individual item pages for Uniques and Set items in the D2 wiki? It's a fairly straight-forward job, and mostly copy+pasting. Not likely you will make mistakes. ;) It's not great fun, but very very useful in the long run. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 10:28, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

::::::::What where and how? :p --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 16:12, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

==Uniques and Set Items==
Like [http://diablo2.diablowiki.net/Special:Contributions/Leord this], the Trang-Oul stuff etc. All those items. I have made some quite advanced templates for it, that will work for D3 later as well (hopefully).

:So I take, for example, [http://diablo2.diablowiki.net/Bul-Kathos%27_Children BK's two swords]. I put the two swords on the Set page in the new template (ex. [http://diablo2.diablowiki.net/index.php?title=The_Disciple&diff=next&oldid=18946 here]), create two new pages (1 per sword), and put the sword data and background in a mold (ex. [http://diablo2.diablowiki.net/Telling_of_Beads here]).
:Did I get that right, miss anything? --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 16:29, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

::Yes, awesome, it's amazing to ask someone to do something and they understand without massive explanations! :D However, if you do have questions on how some of the templates work, ask me. There might be info missing on the help sections. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:31, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

:::I guess previous experience with content splitting helps a little ;) I'll drop you a line somewhere if I can't figure it out. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 16:33, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

::::Massive love your way man. I'd really liked to have been done with it ages ago, but just have not had the time!

::::It may look a little bit weird without "background", but you can probably find most of the lore for these things, if they exist, in the D3Wiki, or else just leave it looking a little weird, and I can help with lore.

::::I suggest just making one piece of background for all of the pieces, and paste it in, to save time, that's what I did. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:38, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

:::::How do I list 1h ''and'' 2h damage in the Itembox? Looked around the code, but it seems to only accept two values; melee once and ranged once. BK's Sacred Charge can be wielded in one hand as well. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 17:05, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

::::::Long story short: I had to go (which is why I didn't get other sets done today), so I kept the edit hoping for the 2h/1h damage business to be explained, and now I have to shut down the computer. I'm going to save the edits, and check back tomorrow. Additionally, I'll probably split a couple other sets as well tomorrow. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 20:37, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

::::::Oki, seems I missed that then. I'll try to fix it asap. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 09:18, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

::::::I have updated the itembox now: Just use the same damage indicator as the old, but add "_1h_" in it. Juct check {{iw|Template:Itembox Template:Itembox}} for the legend of how to do it. Other than that, I also wanted to compliment you on your progress. Very well done! :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:54, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

:::::::Thanks (twice) <3 Updating BK's again. I plan to do one set a day, more if I have time to kill.
:::::::Also; I didn't know all sets were 1.10, so I ?'d that one. Meant to ask that, but must've forgotten. Well, you spotted it :) Will keep it in mind for the next set(s).
:::::::Something is causing a major break on Arcanna's Tricks, though. I have no idea what :( --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 12:57, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

::::::::On it, will shortly make another comment here, just informing you I am on it, found the cause. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:31, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

::::::::Oki. First off, is there no chance to talk to you directly with icq or msn? Would make things a LOT easier! :P Secondly, I have a few comments. I do NOT know they are all Patch 1.10, but if you add a "?", it kind of fucks up. I am fairly certain they are all 1.10, so if they are not, more skilled people than us can update them imho. If we choose not to display patch, just comment out that choice instead of "?".

::::::::* All items '''must have an ilvl''' at the moment, that is why some pages fuck up. I will fix it shortly. In either way, even later, make sure that ilvl is commentated out, not set to "?" as it fucks up the templates and categories.
::::::::* Type = item type - What I mean is that "type" in the list is the sort of item, not slot. At one place you set "Main Hand" for type, where it probably needed to be "Sword".
::::::::* Check out {{iw|M%27avina%27s_Battle_Hymn M%27avina%27s_Battle_Hymn}}, which is the closest to perfect a set can come.
::::::::* Will get right on the ilvl bugs now :)
::::::::--[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:36, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

::::::::FIXED! :) Now I'm just gona work on the categories, so they work when no ilvl is added.--[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:42, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

::::::::Oki, thanks for a nice chat on MSN. :) I have updated the articles {{iw|Arcanna's_Tricks Arcanna's Tricks}} articles, and set an example there. Now we just need to do the rest.

::::::::I will be focusing on nav boxes for the next few weeks, but I will be keeping an eye on what you're doing, and don't hesitate to contact me again on MSN or here. I'll see you tomorrow. :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 17:05, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

==MSN==
You can add me on MSN if you want. I have my status set to Offline by default, and may or may not respond in a timely fashion. Left my adress in a comment. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 13:49, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

: Weeee! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:55, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

==Monster Pictures DII==

I added some pictures to some demons at the d2 wiki, think most of the demons have pictures now. But for some reason I didn't manage to place the pictures correctly, they just ended up behind some text and what not. So i put them under statistics which probably isn't the best position, but what the hell, it's better than no picture at all! Someone who knows this better than me are free to fix it :) --[[User:Zukker|Zukker]] 11:07, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Lesser Evils

2010-06-16T14:00:06Z

Zukker:

==Lilith==
Me discussing heh!

On a note of [[Lilith]] appearing in the pandemonium event, this could possibly have a relation to what happens in the sin war books. When [[Uldyssian]] defeats the last bastion of the [[triune]] (when lilith is in control of the cult), lilith survives the destruction with the help of [[Inarius]] which then proceeds to encapsulate her in a void of some sort, kinda like the orb in [[Diablo: Moon of the Spider]]. The place which the heroes venture to might be this same place, which Lilith (given much time) manage to build for herself inside that void. Considering her "might" and since she was one of the builders of [[Sanctuary]] --[[User:Zukker|Zukker]] 10:18, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

:Hm, interesting! I wonder what would have happened to her then after she was killed in this void. You are right, that IS definitely a way it can be tied in. However, the lore from D2 patch states she was outraged by teh fatc [[Andariel]] had been killed, and that was related somehow... --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:21, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

::Indeed it is, could be a pure coincidence though. That's is true, but that is not nesserary wrong, since we don't really know what ''really'' happend to [[Inarius]] and depending on how much control and the power to maintain it he had over where [[Lilith]] was held, this could have dwindled over time and that would give Lilith the possibility to get information through. Even without the last part, there is possibilites that she still had minions in [[Sanctuary]] that provided her with information. She is cunning and considering that powerful entities have manipulated outsiders before behind "closed" doors. --[[User:Zukker|Zukker]] 14:00, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Lesser Evils

2010-06-16T10:18:30Z

Zukker: finally worked...

Me discussing heh!
On a note of [[Lilith]] appearing in the pandemonium event, this could possibly have a relation to what happens in the sin war books. When [[Uldyssian]] defeats the last bastion of the [[triune]] (when lilith is in control of the cult), lilith survives the destruction with the help of [[Inarius]] which then proceeds to encapsulate her in a void of some sort, kinda like the orb in [[Diablo: Moon of the Spider]]. The place which the heroes venture to might be this same place, which Lilith (given much time) manage to build for herself inside that void. Considering her "might" and since she was one of the builders of [[Sanctuary]] --[[User:Zukker|Zukker]] 10:18, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Lesser Evils

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Zukker:

Talk:Lesser Evils

2010-06-16T10:11:50Z

Zukker:

Talk:Lesser Evils

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Zukker:

Talk:Lesser Evils

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Zukker:

Talk:Lesser Evils

2010-06-16T06:44:15Z

Zukker: Just some thoughts.

User talk:Zukker

2010-06-12T06:38:52Z

Zukker:

==Welcome==
Hey there! Nice edits. We really needed those pics. Visit [[Help]] to see what you can do here. And post your problems on [[Leord]]'s talk page. :) --[[User:TheWanderer|TheWanderer]] 23:50, 2 November 2009 (CET)

:TheWanderer is right, very useful indeed. needed those :) Got any previous wiki experience? Think you could help with more image uploads? :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:08, 3 November 2009 (CET)

::Thanks for the welcome :) Thought it was time i shared some of my knowledge of diablo lore :)). I have little/some experience regarding wikis. I could try to get more pictures out, however I don't know where they're needed. I could spend some time to find those. --[[User:Zukker|Zukker]] 20:25, 3 November 2009 (CET)

:::I'd say about 10% of pages have all the pics they need. :) You could just go through the D2 cinematics and take shots of important figures, places etc, and make sure we have pics of those in the wiki. Or, just go [[Special:Randompage|random]] a few times. :)

:::If you also have lore skills, looking at [[Diablo I Manual]], [[Diablo II Manual]] and [[Diablo II: Lord of Destruction Manual]] and adding links there, as well as filling out any red ones (or just filling out regular ones) is also very useful. There's been numerous [[retcon]]s over the years, and some articles still have outdated lore. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:22, 4 November 2009 (CET)

==Continued nice job!==
I saw your edits, and I made a few updates to them. Remember to add <nowiki>[[Category:Characters]]</nowiki> to any new character you make as well as <nowiki>{{NPX navbox}}</nowiki>. The latter is also good to edit to add the new character to the navigation. Just put it under the headline you htink fits, in alphabetical order. OR, just add the page, the category and navbox, and leave a message on [[User_talk:Leord|my talk page]], and I can add the character to the navigation. :) Great job over all! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:35, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

:Ah I will try to remember that :). Totally forgot it when i was adding some more lore. I focused on the information and forgot to add those little things. --[[User:Zukker|Zukker]] 12:00, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

::Yeah, that happens all the time. No problems! Also, try to add links to any related interesting page, like known brothers, sisters or other family. It's also important to add these links on both ends, so you can navigate around easily even without using the NPC navbox.

::I know that navbox is becoming a biiiiit overly populated, and we'll look in to making that more induitive a bit later :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 12:39, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

:::I will try to remember doing that :) Atleast to the extent that I know. I will also fix the reference to the books of kalan btw. I have it at home, unfortunately I'm not there atm.

:::Yeah i noticed that the navbox is getting a bit cluttered, and nice that you're doing something about it (or at least realize that there's a problem). -- [[User:Zukker|Zukker]] 12:50, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

::::Sorry for late reply, didn't see it before now! Yeah, well, I'm not doing anything with it yet. The thing is, I'm unsure on exactly how to do it. The best thing would be some sort of script installed on the site that allows for like "tabs" on the navbox or something, rather than having one massive box. Without tabs, I can't really see what we could do about it...

::::So, what's your next edit? :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:41, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

:::::Heh my next edit, I have no idea actually, either I go random or something or find a topic which have been missed. However I'm quite busy with work and school atm so I don't know when I have time :( --[[User:Zukker|Zukker]] 08:02, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

::::::Job sucks! :( Well, if you need any inspiration, just check out the [[Special:WantedPages|Wanted pages]] ;) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:41, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

::::::Just gonna say many of the wanted pages only need a line or two :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:41, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

==Lore==
I can see you're updating now, very cool! :) Some of that I did not even know at all. Now, could you add a category to [[Time of Troubles]]? I think [[:Category:Lore]] and [[:Category:Reference]] would be good. Perhaps even [[:Category:Zakarum]]? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:56, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Forgot! We really need a [[Triune]] article. If you can just add in all old info, I can help with references to the new [[Cultist]]s later, but you're more than free to do that as well. Put the article in [[:Category:Factions]], [[:Category:Paramilitary groups]], [[:Category:Religious groups]] and [[:Category:Prime Evils]] if you do start it. :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:58, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

: Heh, got some spare time and I was a little bored so I thought i could do some stuff here and there. The problem with [[Time of Troubles]] is that I'm not sure if it's speculation, fact or canon so I didn't want to put a category to it. But a [[:Category:Zakarum]] would probably be the best choice imo.

:I'm going to try to fix something about the [[Triune]] and [[Catherdral of light]], however I'm going to skim through the books again so I know little more where to start :) And unfortunately I don't have them here right now, I'll see what I can do tonight. --[[User:Zukker|Zukker]] 12:06, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

::Ah, absolutely brilliant! I mean, I can see it's a start, but even just adding text means myself, or Masofarian, Cogo, Holyknight3000 or someone else can format some of that to be more "wikish" or help you do it. :)

::As for several of the articles, I meant you should add the actual category, not a link to it, it's my bad. :) Just remove the ":" in the link, like this: <nowiki>[[Category:Test]]</nowiki>, but without the nowiki.

::I'll make another message if I can think of anything. :)--[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:43, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

==Triune/Light==
Oki, short, but I thought of something. Check out [[Help:Category]] for little help. Also, isn't the [[Triune]] the *religion* as such and [[Temple of Triune]] a physical location? They need to be treated differently. I mean the Temple of Triune would talk about everything we know of the temple, how it was built, what has happened there, architecture (if possible) etc, while Triune is about the religion, including that it's a front.

Same thing ofc goes for the [[Temple of Light]]. Is that really the name of the religion, or is it an actual temple? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:46, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

:Well I suck at categories :P. Well actually I don't know, in the Sin War Books the religion of Triune is both referred as just '''Triune''' or '''Temple of Triune'''.

:And the same goes for [[Cathedral of Light]] as it's the only name that is used in those books, and referred in a way that you consider that as its name. However this doesn't mean that I'm right, this is my interpretation of the books. --[[User:Zukker|Zukker]] 19:28, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

::Ok, interesting. Is there every a LOCATION that is referred to the same name? Or do the cathedrals have other names? Is there ever another name for the religion, like "Followers of Light" or the like? In the case of the Triune, it's just easier to have "Triune" as the main article, and refer the "Temple" version as a location. Among others because "Triune" as a word is also used with the new cultists, although drastically different.

::I mean that the "Cathedral of Light" might be a metaphorical "place", and to join the religion you enter the "Cathedral of Light", and just to confuse people, it's also the name of the actual cathedral. If that's the case we'll simply have to make 2 articles: [[Cathedral of Light (location)]] and [[Cathedral of Light (religion)]]. [[Cathedral of Light]] will be a [[Help:Disambiguation|disambiguation]] article. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:44, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

:::I don't get the second sentence o.O. Since i just skimmed the books recently I can't be 100% sure that the phrase like "Followers of Light" doesn't occur, however if i recall correctly it doesn't. There are referred as "Believers", which goes both ways: If a "human" speak to a High Inquisitor (Light) he will refer to him/her as a believer if there is a affiliation with the light and heretic if for triune. Same goes for a High Priest (or the like) in the triune. The phrase "Follower of the Cult" does occur a few times iirc. However I would like someone else that has access or recently read the Sin War Trilogy to confirm this.

:::The problem with the "Cathedral of Light" is that there isn't much talk going about the religion as a whole, there more focus on The Prophet (Inarius) and that's one of the reasons it's so short. And as I see it, both the religion and the place is referred as the same name, this I'll have to confirm myself though, since now that you brought it up i became unsure. --[[User:Zukker|Zukker]] 06:37, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

User talk:Zukker

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Zukker:

User talk:Zukker

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Zukker:

Triune

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Zukker:

One of the two major religions in [[:Diablo: The Sin War]] novels.

==Description==

Temple of Triune

Consists of the following
*The Primus
*High Priests
*Priests
*Acolytes
*Peace Warders (The militant force of the triune)

The Temple of Triune: Power of the individual

The grand temple of the Triune - located two days ride south of [[Kehjan]] - was a sprawling, triangular edifice with three high towers each situated at one of the points. The pinnacles themselves were three-sided with each face marked by one of the holy order. Triangular windows lined the towers from bottom to the top. Nearly all things concerning the structure were of a similar triple nature. To reach the entrance - which faced Kehjan - pilgrims needed to ascend three levels, with each level consisting of thirty-three steps. At the entrance itself, three massive bronze doors-also triangular-allowed the faithful into the vast welcoming hall within., Worshippers were naturally greeted within by glorious effigies of the three guiding spirits:

'''Bala''' the Creator loomed on the left, the androgynous figure clad in the robe of its order. In Bala's hands were a mystical hammer and a bag, which according to the clerics contained the seed of all life.
Both nature and the architectural triumphs of Humanity were under the auspices of this spirit.

'''Dialon''' hovered to the right, the marble statue much akin to the first save that this figure held to its breast the Tablets of Order. Dialon brought purpose to Humanity, and the tablets taught how to achieve blessedness. As with Bala, Dialon followers wore the colors associated with those following the principles of Determination.

'''Mefis''' stood in the center who carried nothing but cupped its hands as if cradling the most tender of infants. Without Love, Creation and Determination could not thrive, to taught the Grand Priest-the primus-who some said surely had to be the child of Mefis, so caring was he of his flock.

Under each of the giants, another bronze door gave way to the grand chambers of the various orders. Pilgrims and novices who found one preferable over the other would enter through these and listen to the words of that particular high priest. Peace Warders, cowled guards in leather who wore the symbols of all three order on their chest, guided newcomers to their most likely choice. Within each chamber several hundred could kneel in prayer at one time.

And when the Primus himself made an appearance, the walls between the three order- walls which although they had the facade of stone, were made of wood- were slid back into hidden niches so that all could bask in the Grand Priest's noble presence. Upon elevated dais before his followers the leader of the Triune would bring forth the word of the Three.

===The Primus===

The grand priest's (the Primus) voice was pure music. His face could have been chiseled from marble so unmarred was it. He had long flowing hair of silver with a short well trimmed beard that matched it. His features were very angular and his eyes were of a fleaming emerald. He was taller and stronger-looking than most men, but despite his commanding appearance, moved at all times with a practiced gentleness.

Primus = [[Lucion]], for a brief time [[Astrogha]] and after that taking the mantle for her own nefarious deeds [[Lilith]]. Lilith was later encapsulated in a sphere made by [[Inarius]]

====Three high priests====
Chief among them: the tall athletic Malic, senior of those of his rank. He was the right hand of the Primus even to the other high priests. Order of mefis. Malic has been gives a gift by the primus which let's him see in the dark as perfectly as he did during the day. Refereed as eminence from his underlings. After his failure to deliver Uldyssian to the primus, he was given another gift by the primus, a demonic arm. He was later killed by [Lylia]]. And resurrected as a ghost/spectre by [[Mendeln]].

Arihan High Priest for Dialon.

???? High Priest for Bala.

The three true doctrines of the triune: Hate, Destruction and Terror.

*Mefis = [[Mephisto]]
*Dialon = [[Diablo]]
*Bala = [[Baal]]

Acolytes of the Triune wear a red circle on their robes to represent the common Kehjan emblem for the heart.

Temples in
*Near Kehjan
*Toraja
*Hashir
*Kalinash
*Istani

==Role in Diablo 3==

[[Cultists]] are one of the first seen foes in Diablo 3. They are recent followers of the Temple of the Triune.

==References==
# [[Diablo: Birthright]]
# [[Diablo: Scales of the Serpent]]
# [[Diablo: The Veiled Prophet]]

[[Category:Religious groups]]
[[Category:Prime Evils]]

Cathedral of Light

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Zukker:

One of the two major religions in [[:Diablo: The Sin War]] novels.

==Description==

Cathedral of Light

Consists of the following
*The Prophet
*Senior Priests
*Master inquisitor (High Cleric)
*Inquisitors
*Novices?

Cathedral of Light: Humanity's combined efforts would best see it achieve its ultimate destiny.

===The Prophet===

Clad in floor-length robes of white, luminous silver-blue eyes, Ivory skin, golden locks. Lithe and very fit, although not overly muscular like the Inquisitor guards standing attention outside his sanctum doors. He was, by the opinion of all who had seen him, simply perfect.

Prophet = [[Inarius]], once of the [[Angiris Council]], once a commander of the Heavenly hosts.

Senior Priests
*Gamuel
*Oris

High Inquisitors wear a golden medallion in the shape of a sunburst. The centerpiece is a clear gemstone that glistered even despite the cloud cover.

==References==
# [[Diablo: Birthright]]
# [[Diablo: Scales of the Serpent]]
# [[Diablo: The Veiled Prophet]]

[[Category:Religious groups]]

[[Category:Angels]]

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Triune

2010-06-11T15:04:35Z

Zukker:

One of the two major religions in [[:Diablo: The Sin War]] novels.

==Description==

Temple of Triune

Consists of the following
*The Primus
*High Priests
*Priests
*Acolytes
*Peace Warders (The militant force of the triune)

The Temple of Triune: Power of the individual

The grand temple of the Triune - located two days ride south of [[Kehjan]] - was a sprawling, triangular edifice with three high towers each situated at one of the points. The pinnacles themselves were three-sided with each face marked by one of the holy order. Triangular windows lined the towers from bottom to the top. Nearly all things concerning the structure were of a similar triple nature. To reach the entrance - which faced Kehjan - pilgrims needed to ascend three levels, with each level consisting of thirty-three steps. At the entrance itself, three massive bronze doors-also triangular-allowed the faithful into the vast welcoming hall within., Worshippers were naturally greeted within by glorious effigies of the three guiding spirits:

'''Bala''' the Creator loomed on the left, the androgynous figure clad in the robe of its order. In Bala's hands were a mystical hammer and a bag, which according to the clerics contained the seed of all life.
Both nature and the architectural triumphs of Humanity were under the auspices of this spirit.

'''Dialon''' hovered to the right, the marble statue much akin to the first save that this figure held to its breast the Tablets of Order. Dialon brought purpose to Humanity, and the tablets taught how to achieve blessedness. As with Bala, Dialon followers wore the colors associated with those following the principles of Determination.

'''Mefis''' stood in the center who carried nothing but cupped its hands as if cradling the most tender of infants. Without Love, Creation and Determination could not thrive, to taught the Grand Priest-the primus-who some said surely had to be the child of Mefis, so caring was he of his flock.

Under each of the giants, another bronze door gave way to the grand chambers of the various orders. Pilgrims and novices who found one preferable over the other would enter through these and listen to the words of that particular high priest. Peace Warders, cowled guards in leather who wore the symbols of all three order on their chest, guided newcomers to their most likely choice. Within each chamber several hundred could kneel in prayer at one time.

And when the Primus himself made an appearance, the walls between the three order- walls which although they had the facade of stone, were made of wood- were slid back into hidden niches so that all could bask in the Grand Priest's noble presence. Upon elevated dais before his followers the leader of the Triune would bring forth the word of the Three.

===The Primus===

The grand priest's (the Primus) voice was pure music. His face could have been chiseled from marble so unmarred was it. He had long flowing hair of silver with a short well trimmed beard that matched it. His features were very angular and his eyes were of a fleaming emerald. He was taller and stronger-looking than most men, but despite his commanding appearance, moved at all times with a practiced gentleness.

Primus = [[Lucion]], for a brief time [[Astrogha]] and after that taking the mantle for her own nefarious deeds [[Lilith]]. Lilith was later encapsulated in a sphere made by [[Inarius]]

====Three high priests====
Chief among them: the tall athletic Malic, senior of those of his rank. He was the right hand of the Primus even to the other high priests. Order of mefis. Malic has been gives a gift by the primus which let's him see in the dark as perfectly as he did during the day. Refereed as eminence from his underlings. After his failure to deliver Uldyssian to the primus, he was given another gift by the primus, a demonic arm. He was later killed by [Lylia]]. And resurrected as a ghost/spectre by [[Mendeln]].

Arihan High Priest for Dialon.

???? High Priest for Bala.

The three true doctrines of the triune: Hate, Destruction and Terror.

*Mefis = [[Mephisto]]
*Dialon = [[Diablo]]
*Bala = [[Baal]]

Acolytes of the Triune wear a red circle on their robes to represent the common Kehjan emblem for the heart.

Temples in
*Toraja
*Hashir
*Kalinash
*Istani

==Role in Diablo 3==

[[Cultists]] are one of the first seen foes in Diablo 3. They are recent followers of the Temple of the Triune.

==References==
# [[Diablo: Birthright]]
# [[Diablo: Scales of the Serpent]]
# [[Diablo: The Veiled Prophet]]

[[Category:Religious groups]]
[[Category:Prime Evils]]

User talk:Zukker

2010-06-10T19:28:08Z

Zukker: /* Triune/Light */

Kiss of Mephisto

2010-06-09T20:34:30Z

Zukker:

The '''Kiss of Mephisto''' was a powerful, [[demon]]ic [[artifact]] created in order to resurrect fallen [[Morlu]].

==Appearance==
The item originally appeared as a giant, black gemstone embedded in a triangular column of red-streaked marble. Due to its deep red complexion, it's also called the '''Blood Marble'''.

==Background==
The Kiss of Mephisto was kept in a cave underneath the temple of the [[Triune]], along with the band of [[Morlu]]. The Blood Marble would continuously revive any Morlu who fell as they battled with eternal bloodlust in the cavern. This gave the Morlu continous battle experience, becoming the most elite of demonic soldiers.

For unknown reasons, [[Lucion]] despises the stone. It's [[Mephisto#Rumors_of_Mephisto_and_Auriel|speculated]] it might be because it originally was a gift for [[Auriel]], the [[Archangel]].

Malic describes it as following: ''The kiss of mephisto let out a burst of black light. Not darkness, but completely utterly black light.''

The artefact was destroyed by [[Uldyssian]], fighting his way through the cavern. With the destruction of the stone, the threat of the Morlu was gone as well.

==Appearances==
The Kiss of Mephisto only appears in once source, [[Diablo: The Sin War]] trilogy, the first two books: [[Diablo: Birthright]] and [[Diablo: The Veiled Prophet]].

==References==
* [[Diablo: Birthright]]
* [[Diablo: The Veiled Prophet]]

[[Category:Artefacts]]

Triune

2010-06-09T20:29:26Z

Zukker:

One of the two major religions in [[:Diablo: The Sin War]] novels.

==Description==

Temple of Triune

Consists of the following
*The Primus
*High Priests
*Priests
*Acolytes
*Peace Warders (The militant force of the triune)

The Temple of Triune: Power of the individual

The grand temple of the Triune - located two days ride south of [[Kehjan]] - was a sprawling, triangular edifice with three high towers each situated at one of the points. The pinnacles themselves were three-sided with each face marked by one of the holy order. Triangular windows lined the towers from bottom to the top. Nearly all things concerning the structure were of a similar triple nature. To reach the entrance - which faced Kehjan - pilgrims needed to ascend three levels, with each level consisting of thirty-three steps. At the entrance itself, three massive bronze doors-also triangular-allowed the faithful into the vast welcoming hall within., Worshippers were naturally greeted within by glorious effigies of the three guiding spirits:

'''Bala''' the Creator loomed on the left, the androgynous figure clad in the robe of its order. In Bala's hands were a mystical hammer and a bag, which according to the clerics contained the seed of all life.
Both nature and the architectural triumphs of Humanity were under the auspices of this spirit.

'''Dialon''' hovered to the right, the marble statue much akin to the first save that this figure held to its breast the Tablets of Order. Dialon brought purpose to Humanity, and the tablets taught how to achieve blessedness. As with Bala, Dialon followers wore the colors associated with those following the principles of Determination.

'''Mefis''' stood in the center who carried nothing but cupped its hands as if cradling the most tender of infants. Without Love, Creation and Determination could not thrive, to taught the Grand Priest-the primus-who some said surely had to be the child of Mefis, so caring was he of his flock.

Under each of the giants, another bronze door gave way to the grand chambers of the various orders. Pilgrims and novices who found one preferable over the other would enter through these and listen to the words of that particular high priest. Peace Warders, cowled guards in leather who wore the symbols of all three order on their chest, guided newcomers to their most likely choice. Within each chamber several hundred could kneel in prayer at one time.

And when the Primus himself made an appearance, the walls between the three order- walls which although they had the facade of stone, were made of wood- were slid back into hidden niches so that all could bask in the Grand Priest's noble presence. Upon elevated dais before his followers the leader of the Triune would bring forth the word of the Three.

===The Primus===

The grand priest's (the Primus) voice was pure music. His face could have been chiseled from marble so unmarred was it. He had long flowing hair of silver with a short well trimmed beard that matched it. His features were very angular and his eyes were of a fleaming emerald. He was taller and stronger-looking than most men, but despite his commanding appearance, moved at all times with a practiced gentleness.

Primus = [[Lucion]], for a brief time [[Astrogha]] and after that taking the mantle for her own nefarious deeds [[Lilith]]. Lilith was later encapsulated in a sphere made by [[Inarius]]

====Three high priests====
Chief among them: the tall athletic Malic, senior of those of his rank. He was the right hand of the Primus even to the other high priests. Order of mefis. Malic has been gives a gift by the primus which let's him see in the dark as perfectly as he did during the day. Refereed as eminence from his underlings. After his failure to deliver Uldyssian to the primus, he was given another gift by the primus, a demonic arm. He was later killed by [Lylia]]. And resurrected as a ghost/spectre by [[Mendeln]].

Arihan High Priest for Dialon.

???? High Priest for Bala.

The three true doctrines of the triune: Hate, Destruction and Terror.

*Mefis = [[Mephisto]]
*Dialon = [[Diablo]]
*Bala = [[Baal]]

Acolytes of the Triune wear a red circle on their robes to represent the common Kehjan emblem for the heart.

Temples in
*Toraja
*Hashir
*Kalinash
*Istani

==Role in Diablo 3==

[[Cultists]] are one of the first seen foes in Diablo 3. They are recent followers of the Temple of the Triune.

==References==
# [[Diablo: Birthright]]
# [[Diablo: Scales of the Serpent]]
# [[Diablo: The Veiled Prophet]]

[[:Category:Religious groups]]
[[:Category:Prime Evils]]

Gulag

2010-06-09T20:28:59Z

Zukker: Created page with 'Gulag is a servant of Baal similar to what Astrogha is to Diablo'

Gulag is a servant of [[Baal]] similar to what [[Astrogha]] is to [[Diablo]]

Cathedral of Light

2010-06-09T20:24:03Z

Zukker: This need more work, more information. Formatting, spelling and grammar could probably be better.

One of the two major religions in [[:Diablo: The Sin War]] novels.

==Description==

Cathedral of Light

Consists of the following
*The Prophet
*Senior Priests
*Master inquisitor (High Cleric)
*Inquisitors
*Novices?

Cathedral of Light: Humanity's combined efforts would best see it achieve its ultimate destiny.

===The Prophet===

Clad in floor-length robes of white, luminous silver-blue eyes, Ivory skin, golden locks. Lithe and very fit, although not overly muscular like the Inquisitor guards standing attention outside his sanctum doors. He was, by the opinion of all who had seen him, simply perfect.

Prophet = [[Inarius]], once of the [[Angiris Council]], once a commander of the Heavenly hosts.

Senior Priests
*Gamuel
*Oris

High Inquisitors wear a golden medallion in the shape of a sunburst. The centerpiece is a clear gemstone that glistered even despite the cloud cover.

==References==
# [[Diablo: Birthright]]
# [[Diablo: Scales of the Serpent]]
# [[Diablo: The Veiled Prophet]]

[[:Category:Religious groups]]

[[:Category:Angels]]

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Triune

2010-06-09T20:09:35Z

Zukker: Probably plenty of errors and grammar mistakes, but the ground work is done. Probably need some Formatting as well.

One of the two major religions in [[:Diablo: The Sin War]] novels.

==Description==

Temple of Triune

Consists of the following
*The Primus
*High Priests
*Priests
*Acolytes
*Peace Warders (The militant force of the triune)

The Temple of Triune: Power of the individual

The grand temple of the Triune - located two days ride south of [[Kehjan]] - was a sprawling, triangular edifice with three high towers each situated at one of the points. The pinnacles themselves were three-sided with each face marked by one of the holy order. Triangular windows lined the towers from bottom to the top. Nearly all things concerning the structure were of a similar triple nature. To reach the entrance - which faced Kehjan - pilgrims needed to ascend three levels, with each level consisting of thirty-three steps. At the entrance itself, three massive bronze doors-also triangular-allowed the faithful into the vast welcoming hall within., Worshippers were naturally greeted within by glorious effigies of the three guiding spirits:

'''Bala''' the Creator loomed on the left, the androgynous figure clad in the robe of its order. In Bala's hands were a mystical hammer and a bag, which according to the clerics contained the seed of all life.
Both nature and the architectural triumphs of Humanity were under the auspices of this spirit.

'''Dialon''' hovered to the right, the marble statue much akin to the first save that this figure held to its breast the Tablets of Order. Dialon brought purpose to Humanity, and the tablets taught how to achieve blessedness. As with Bala, Dialon followers wore the colors associated with those following the principles of Determination.

'''Mefis''' stood in the center who carried nothing but cupped its hands as if cradling the most tender of infants. Without Love, Creation and Determination could not thrive, to taught the Grand Priest-the primus-who some said surely had to be the child of Mefis, so caring was he of his flock.

Under each of the giants, another bronze door gave way to the grand chambers of the various orders. Pilgrims and novices who found one preferable over the other would enter through these and listen to the words of that particular high priest. Peace Warders, cowled guards in leather who wore the symbols of all three order on their chest, guided newcomers to their most likely choice. Within each chamber several hundred could kneel in prayer at one time.

And when the Primus himself made an appearance, the walls between the three order- walls which although they had the facade of stone, were made of wood- were slid back into hidden niches so that all could bask in the Grand Priest's noble presence. Upon elevated dais before his followers the leader of the Triune would bring forth the word of the Three.

===The Primus===

The grand priest's (the Primus) voice was pure music. His face could have been chiseled from marble so unmarred was it. He had long flowing hair of silver with a short well trimmed beard that matched it. His features were very angular and his eyes were of a fleaming emerald. He was taller and stronger-looking than most men, but despite his commanding appearance, moved at all times with a practiced gentleness.

Primus = [[Lucion]], for a brief time astrogha and after that taking the mantle for her own nefarious deeds [[Lilith]]. Lilith was later encapsulated in a sphere made by [[Inarius]]

====Three high priests====
Chief among them: the tall athletic Malic, senior of those of his rank. He was the right hand of the Primus even to the other high priests. Order of mefis. Malic has been gives a gift by the primus which let's him see in the dark as perfectly as he did during the day. Refereed as eminence from his underlings. After his failure to deliver Uldyssian to the primus, he was given another gift by the primus, a demonic arm. He was later killed by [Lylia]]. And resurrected as a ghost/spectre by [[Mendeln]].

Arihan High Priest for Dialon.

???? High Priest for Bala.

The three true doctrines of the triune: Hate, Destruction and Terror.

*Mefis = [[Mephisto]]
*Dialon = [[Diablo]]
*Bala = [[Baal]]

Acolytes of the Triune wear a red circle on their robes to represent the common Kehjan emblem for the heart.

Temples in
*Toraja
*Hashir
*Kalinash
*Istani

==Role in Diablo 3==

[[Cultists]] are one of the first seen foes in Diablo 3. They are recent followers of the Temple of the Triune.

==References==
# [[Diablo: Birthright]]
# [[Diablo: Scales of the Serpent]]
# [[Diablo: The Veiled Prophet]]

[[:Category:Religious groups]]
[[:Category:Prime Evils]]

Talk:Triune

2010-06-09T19:13:23Z

Zukker: Created page with 'I'm sorry but I'm going to replace this text with a more extensive one in the near future --~~~~'

I'm sorry but I'm going to replace this text with a more extensive one in the near future --[[User:Zukker|Zukker]] 19:13, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Time of Troubles

2010-06-09T12:08:11Z

Zukker: If we're going to keep it?!

'''Times of Troubles''' in [[Zakarum]] history probably refers to the time when both the forces of [[Hell]] and [[Heaven]] were attempting to gain human followers through their respective 'fronts', i.e. the [[Temple of Triune]] and the [[Cathedral of Light]] respectively.
All of the above is speculation, since no concrete information has been given out.

[[:Category:Zakarum]]

User talk:Zukker

2010-06-09T12:06:48Z

Zukker:

Time of Troubles

2010-06-09T11:12:34Z

Zukker:

Justinian IV

2010-06-09T11:07:58Z

Zukker:

'''Justinian IV''' was the son of King [[Cornelius]] and Queen [[Nellia]].

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==Background==
Also known as "'''Justinian the Wide-Eyed'''". He was also the current King of [[Westmarch]] during the events of [[Diablo: Moon of the Spider]].

Justinian became King at a very young age after his father [[Cornelius]] died and he was not fully ready for the task at hand. Therefore it was easy for [[Karybdus]] to take advantage of that fact when he appeared as the spectre of [[Cornelius]] in [[Justinian IV]]s throne room. By imposing as his father Karybdus manage to have some control over the actions which the young king would take.

==Related Characters==
* King [[Cornelius]] & Queen [[Nellia]]
** King [[Justinian IV]]

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==References==
* [[Diablo: Moon of the Spider]]

{{Character navbox|minor}}

[[Category:Characters]]

Justinian IV

2010-06-09T11:07:33Z

Zukker:

'''Justinian IV''' was the son of King [[Cornelius]] and Queen [[Nellia]].

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==Background==
Also known as "'''Justinian the Wide-Eyed'''". He was also the current King of [[Westmarch]] during the events of [[Diablo: Moon of the Spider]].

Justinian became King at a very young age after his father [[Cornelius]] died and he was not fully ready for the task at hand. Therefore it was easy for [[Karybdus]] to take advantage of that fact when he appeared as the spectre of [[Cornelius]] in [[Justinian IV]]s throne room. By imposing as his father Karybdus manage to have some control over the actions which the young kind would take.

==Related Characters==
* King [[Cornelius]] & Queen [[Nellia]]
** King [[Justinian IV]]

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==References==
* [[Diablo: Moon of the Spider]]

{{Character navbox|minor}}

[[Category:Characters]]

Mendeln

2010-06-09T10:18:14Z

Zukker:

'''Mendeln''' is the younger brother of [[Uldyssian]], the central character in the [[Diablo: The Sin War|Sin War]] Trilogy.

==Background==
Mendeln was reclusive, pale, and had a morbid fascination with death. As a descendant of the [[Nephalem]], Mendeln's necrotic curiosity lead him to unearth latent abilities that ultimately characterize him as a [[Necromancer]].

One could call [[Rathma]] as [[Mendeln]]s mentor in the ways of [[necromancer|Necromancy]]

==Family==
* [[Diomedes]] is his father.
* [[Uldyssian]] is his older brother.

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{{Character navbox|imp}}

[[Category:Characters]]
[[Category:Nephalem]]

Achilios

2010-06-09T10:15:12Z

Zukker:

[[Achilios]] is an archer in the [[Diablo: The Sin War|Sin War]] Trilogy. He is the best hunter in [[Seram]] and a good friend of [[Uldyssian]]. Naturally gifted with a bow and arrow, Achilios journeys with [[Uldyssian]], [[Mendeln]] and [[Serenthia]] in their quest to stop the [[Triune]].

[[Achilios]] also have an encounter with [[Tyrael]] and works together with him to save [[Sanctuary]].

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{{Character navbox|minor}}

[[Category:Characters]]

Edyrem

2010-06-09T10:11:45Z

Zukker:

The '''Edyrem''' are a group of common townsfolk who united with [[Uldyssian]], the central protagonist in the [[Diablo: The Sin War|Sin War novels]]. Uldyssian (who also gave them their name) with the help of [[Lilith]] (disguised) trained this large group of common villagers from various cities to tap into their [[Nephalem|Nephalemic]] heritage and expose latent abilities and powers, some more successful than others and they proved to be a powerful. A power which [[Lilith]] wanted to control and which she also did during a time. In the battles against [[The Cathedral of Light]] and the [[Triune]] many [[Edyrem]] were equal if not stronger than the priests of the churches.

The [[Edyrem]] appear in the following books:

# [[Diablo: Birthright]]
# [[Diablo: Scales of the Serpent]]
# [[Diablo: The Veiled Prophet]]

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[[Category:Factions]]
[[Category:Ethnic groups]]
[[Category:Nephalem]]
[[Category:Paramilitary groups]]
[[Category:Magocratic groups]]

Diablo: Scales of the Serpent

2010-04-04T21:08:25Z

Zukker:

[[Image:Scales_of_the_serpent.jpg|right|200px]]

Book two of the [[Diablo: The Sin War|Sin War trilogy]]. Written by [[Richard_A._Knaak|Richard A. Knaak]] and published in 2007.

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==Description==
Bent on destroying the evil cult of the [[Triune]], [[Uldyssian]] does not yet suspect that [[Inarius]] -secret Prophet of the [[Cathedral of Light]]- has been subtly aiding his quest. Obsessed with restoring [[Sanctuary]] to its former glory, Inarius has been playing Uldyssian against the two great religions in a reckless attempt to topple them both. But another player has slipped back into the equation. The [[demon]] [[Lilith]], once Inarius's lover, seeks to use Uldyssian as her own pawn in a scheme to turn humans into and army of [[nephalem]] -godlike beings, more powerful than any angel or demon-, who could overturn all Creation and elevate Lilith to supreme being.

Yaerius

2010-01-25T12:03:23Z

Zukker: spam?

[[Yaerius]] is a [[archangel]] but not a part of the [[Angiris Council]]. It is believed that [[Yaerius]] created the belief of the [[zakarum]] church by appearing for the prophet [[Akarat]]

{{Angel navbox}}
{{NPC navbox}}

[[Category:Characters]]

Gidbinn

2010-01-17T11:50:42Z

Zukker:

The '''Gidbinn''' is an ancient [[Skatsimi]] blade which looks like an ornate dagger. It is an enchanted dagger and seems to be quite powerful. [[Ormus]] in Act III of Diablo 2 sends you on a quest to retrieve it. Ormus uses this blade to strengthen the magical shield which protects [[Kurast]].

[[Image:gidbinn.gif]]

[[Category:Artefacts]][[Category:Items]]

User talk:Leord/2

2009-12-14T20:03:36Z

Zukker:

==Welcome 2==
I had to archive my talk page, it was getting too long. Welcome to the new one, feel free to leave any messages at the bottom of the page!

You can find the old one [[User talk:Leord/1|here]]. Please don't edit that one! :P If you want to continue on older topics, make a new one and bring it up like if it was a new one. I brought over a few topics that are a bit recent.

Cheers! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:34, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

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== Appreciation ==
Thank you for the touch-ups you did to the Alchemist page. As an English major, I was in agony over making such a mistake as putting "theirselves". If there are any other problems with the page, please feel free to correct them. I have not had much experience in writing webpages, but I am learning. Also, if you have any ideas, I am very open to imput. I do have a question: Is '''diablowiki.net''' connected to '''diii.net'''? I have noticed that my Alchemist page has appeared there as well, I wanted to make sure they were allowed to do so. -- 21:25, 8 July 2009 [[User:Kire|Kire]]
: You're quite welcome! :) Any edits in the wiki, you can get help in the [[Help|help section]]. As for Talk page comments, you can simply sign them with the press of a key, more info [[Help:Talk|here]].
: Diii.net is running DiabloWiki, but the contribs here does not necessarily have any connections with Diii.net. As for classes, do you mean [http://forums.diii.net/showthread.php?t=731429 this one]? Doesn't look like it's the same, other than the name. :) As for "allowed", I am not sure what you mean. It's the internet, and you probably don't have a trademark for Alchemist. ;) Other than that, we don't impose any special user rights other than normal law. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:49, 9 July 2009 (CEST)

::For what I can find, anything on this Wiki is completely uncopyrighted, so it's basically right-to-copy.
::Somewhat related is the message above the Summary bar; "(see [[Project:Copyrights]] for details)". Redlink, oops? ;) --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 15:31, 9 July 2009 (CEST)

:::I know there are some rights reserved, for legal reasons etc. But over all, it's a pretty open affair :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 15:41, 9 July 2009 (CEST)

::::Thanks again for clearing that up! And I do recognize that people are free to copy and edit anything on the site, so I'm not trying to lay claim to it. Sorry if I sounded like a jealous user -I think I was just shocked to see links to the Alchemist page on other sites so quickly. I need to also thank you for the link you gave me to the forum at Diii.net on Alchemists. I am now in touch with users with similar interests to my own! --[[User:Kire|Kire]] 11:27, 9 July 2009 (CEST)

:::::Cool! Yeah, things I do tend to get popular quick. Great to be back online as well. Been a horrible 2 odd weeks! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:51, 6 August 2009 (CEST)

== Skill template ==
Holidays are boring. 
Do you know approx. what skill pages you've created? I can spend some hours creating pages, since I have little better to do :P --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 00:02, 20 July 2009 (CEST)

:While I possibly have your attention: [[Special:Contributions/AlgetMonco]] → Vandal that dislikes you. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 11:29, 20 July 2009 (CEST)

:: Noticed. He's blocked now. I don't know if that helps. thatnks for keeping my talk page clean. Need to start archiving now as well :P

:: As for the skills, it's pretty easy to see which ones are made by looking at the skill navboxes for the wizard. I am literally doing one tree at the time, going through it from first to last :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:51, 6 August 2009 (CEST)

:::When I get some free time again (preparing for a LAN weekend atm :) ) I'll start with the Barbarian. *writes a note on his desktop* --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 14:02, 6 August 2009 (CEST)

::::Absolutely awesome. As we finalize these, we'll start making more wiki updates on the front of Diii.net as well. We took a big hit for the downtime, no time to spare to get it back! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:04, 6 August 2009 (CEST)

== Synnargeez ==
[[Conjured_Health#Synergies]]. CH synergizes with Mirror Image, not the other way around; I figured that header would be for skills that synergize with the skill you're looking at? Makes more sense to me. What's your thoughts on this case? --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 19:24, 6 August 2009 (CEST)

:Well, my idea was to have the term "synergy" to basically list all spells that are directly related. I'm using an old term because people are familiar with it. I am fairly certain there will be no "generally synergistic" spells like in Diablo II. You will have the 1 Rank spells (for Wizard) and then the 15 rank Skills. Possibly 2-15 varies between skills, but that basic design. A bit like skills and talents in one tree, talking in WoW terms (I should make an article about that!). --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:30, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

:What do you think? I am very open for suggestions at this stage :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:30, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

::I just find listing affected skills on passives a bit redundant, since the direct effect is listed in both Background and Description.
::Also, on skill ranks: Base will be 5 max, and it's possible to get a higher cap (10 and 15) for an X amount of skills (unknown X). --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 14:51, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

:::We'll see about the base. Most Wizard skills are 15. As for listing, I like it. It's like the official list with all things affecting or affected by it. If someone wants to reference a spell, it's great to have it in a standardised place, if you can't be bothered to look for the link in BG/Description etc. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:58, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

::::A Bashiok quote on skill point caps:
:One important addition to this is the skill caps themselves. Currently we're envisioning the majority of skills to be capped at 5 points, to begin with. As a form of progression we're planning for players to be able to increase the point caps of skills. More than likely to a maximum of 15. It's a system that's still under heavy design, but the fact of choosing and increasing key skills beyond their initial cap is important to this new unified tier system.</pre>
::::So, most Wizard skills are actually 5 :P
::::As for the list: Okay. It's not like I'll die over the redundancy :) --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 15:25, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

:::::Cool. We'll we will have to update this as we move along. Could you make a short paragraph in the [[skill]]s article about the tier system? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 15:27, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

==Skill / Skill tree / Tier==
[[Skill#Earlier_Info]] has a link to [[Skill_tree]] which has info on Skill [[tier]]s.

We could either split up Skill tree and Tier into two articles, or keep it on one page. I'm fine with either (leaning slightly towards one page; A lot of small pages tend to be harder to navigate). Pick your poison. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 19:33, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

:I was almost thinking we should include all pages to one, like [[skill]]s and [[skill tree]]s really are very closely related. either that, or a lot more interlinking and some sort of navigation. That page would be pretty long though...
:If we just try to summarize the quotes a bit (since wikipedia and other wikis don't really quote much anyway), it would make the article a lot shorter... What are your thoughts? As it is now, it's definitely a little bit too confusing. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:32, 10 August 2009 (CEST)

::Just dumping the info on both pages together would make a huge article, yes, but it would have a ton of redundancy too. The page won't be all that long once you remove all the duplicate information (that's another pro of having 1 page over several: Less repeated info :) ). Then again, when is a page long, and when is it not?
::We could make one page in the userspace or wherever to see how long it'd be after removing all redundancy. It would also be a better page for format testing than the page the site's visitors read ;)
::In the end I'm for one page and redirects to that page (and headers on that page if they work). --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 13:58, 10 August 2009 (CEST)

:::Oki, I agree. You think you got tome to do it? My next major DW push will be skills again. --17:14, 10 August 2009 Leord

::::I have a lot of Tomes to do stuff ;) Will get to skill pages tomorrow. by the way.
::::[[User:Vipermagi/Skill]] and [[User:Vipermagi/Skill2]]. The first is done (unless there's information missing currently?), the latter is not (yet). --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 21:15, 10 August 2009 (CEST)

:::::Looks very good. We will implement it a bit later then. :) One thing I didn't understand: What's left to do? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 15:12, 12 August 2009 (CEST)

I have deleted [[skill tree]] and made all info on it available on [[Skill]] instead. It makes more sense, who would look at "skill tree" for that info anyway? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 19:03, 16 September 2009 (CEST)

==Skill table==
[[Power of the Battlemaster]] now just has a bulleted list of it's effect. The header is misleading though, as it promised a table. Ideas? --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 18:19, 11 August 2009 (CEST)

:Yes, that's true. The idea is to have a table there in the future, and a bullet point list is what we do before we have proper info. I'd say we keep the name atm. Just so it fits when it's all "upgraded" properly.

:On a sidenote, don't write <void> on Description. Just write what is known. Look at the [[Boilerplate:Skill/copy]] article, and use that as inspiration. You can always write something. Also, a little blurb at the top of the page is good as well. Just take the [[Boilerplate:Skill/copy]] one, and replace class, skills, and then add a few words at the end of it :) This will also make sure to put the infobox underneath the ad.

:You can also add "(presumed)" for rank 4 and 5 of the skill, like I did with many of the arcane skills. If you have 3 ranks info, then you can probably figure out the other ranks stats. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 15:12, 12 August 2009 (CEST)

==Im back, baby!==

Hey leord, im back... was absent because there werent any juicy news about diablo 3, so i went away... im like a bear, i do my thing during specific times... Anyway i have a few suggestions, then im off to editing some articles and adding new ones...http://www.diablowiki.net/skins/common/images/button_sig.png

A: This wiki needs an IRC channel, hosted on quakenet, if possible, it would be much easier for editors/people to go to the channel, and ask questions there... like how to edit articles, or to report any mistakes that we might have made... please say yes

B: There is no B...

C: No C too...

-- 12:53, 20 August 2009 DxAxxxTyriel

: Hey man, nice to see you! :) At the moment, we don't have a IRC channel, but some sort of chat will come up later on. At the moment, I am mostly in the #StarcraftWire channel on Quakenet! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:54, 20 August 2009 (CEST)

==Monk==
Hey dude, you mind if i do the Monk Class? i saw the Diablo 3 panel and WoW:C panels on Ustream, from a guy who was streaming the Pay-per-view thing.... can i? i have many pictures. --[[User:DxAxxxTyriel|DxAxxxTyriel]] 00:53, 22 August 2009 (CEST)

:Dude! Bloody good job on the Monk! And never ask permission to do anything in the wiki ;) You are always free to do anything (except mupping up content, ofc)! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 12:19, 24 August 2009 (CEST)

:Thx mate. --[[User:DxAxxxTyriel|DxAxxxTyriel]] 15:56, 24 August 2009 (CEST)

== Meli back.... ==

Hi Leord,

I am back to do updates to both Wizard and Monk, from the large news posts on diii.net which detail the full skill trees. Alot to throw out and alot to add. I will leave all the skill pages that are becoming obsolete for the moment just as they. Might be reuseable when they change skill setup again. Otherwise i am updateing all the related pages and also navigation boxes where needed.

Been fiddling with Witch doctor and Wizard already. Will take 1-2 evenings to get it all done though.

regards, meli --[[User:Melianor|Melianor]] 13:57, 31 August 2009 (CEST)

:Hello Melianor, great to see you! (and the great updates!)

:Yes, we'll keep/make skills of the old skills, but put them in an archive of some sort later on, so don't set any of them for deletion! :) I will join you in editing in a few minutes ;) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:34, 1 September 2009 (CEST)

== FAQ ==
[[FAQ]] changed ever so slighty. You can reach it's old contents [http://www.diablowiki.net/FAQ&action=edit here]. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 21:25, 3 September 2009 (CEST)

:Weird. I know the /FAQ is some special page in the wiki, not a regular article... --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 17:45, 4 September 2009 (CEST)

:[[Diablo III FAQ]]: this is the actual FAQ. the [[FAQ]] article is some sort of special Wiki thing. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:15, 8 September 2009 (CEST)

::I know; that's why I linked you to the &edit page, so you could access the old information. I didn't know wether you might wanted to transplant it :> The DIII Faq has the same information, though, so I suppose you don't need it anymore. [[FAQ]] is also unlinked beyond this page, so all is well. Redirecting it didn't work, sadly. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 16:33, 8 September 2009 (CEST)

:::Yeh, no I think I tried fiddling with it last year, and gave up, adding a new FAQ with another name :) If you find out how to make use of [[FAQ]], don't be shy :P --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 17:13, 8 September 2009 (CEST)

::::I can tell you no other wiki I visit uses the FAQ page at all (page never created), and none of those have the odd plain text. Since I can't: Maybe try a delete? --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 18:41, 8 September 2009 (CEST)

:::::It will likely just delete the article I made. The thing is, the site obviously redirects the [[FAQ]] url to some other place than the actual article. I have no idea why. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 20:08, 8 September 2009 (CEST)

== Some Problem... ==
A fan class has been popping up in all the class pages. I removed the links, and think it's just a mistake on the author's path. Maybe some editing is the Class Template page.Please check it out.--[[User:TheWanderer|TheWanderer]] 05:47, 25 September 2009 (CEST)

: After LOTS of problems, I fixed it all. I left messages a little bit of everywhere to explain it :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:30, 25 September 2009 (CEST)

== New Fanmade Content ==

Hello everyone! 
I am a self-taught artist. I just signed in Diablo Wiki and I still don't know how to operate here. I was invited here by Targetgamer. I have many ideas about Diablo 3 and I have posted them in the Battle.net forums. Targretgamer read them and invited me here. As soon i get used to the tools here I will post my ideas on this site. In the meantime you can see my ideas in the battle.net forums. I have ideas in both Suggestions and Diablo 3 forums. Some people there think that I am a spammer, because my post are too long. I hope that people here will be more patient and read more of my ideas. 
Here are some links 

A proposal for a new duel system in Diablo 3:

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=18031101457&sid=3000

Dragon Warrior - New class proposition:

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=19820550662&sid=3000

Dragon Warrior /Shinobi/ skills:

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=18313393127&sid=3000

New Monster Propositions with Concept Art for Diablo 3:

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=20133925237&sid=3000

Read some of my ideas and maybe post your opinion in the forum.

Hello, its Veskin7 Bukito again. 
I forgot to add the last post. 
View my idea for a new continent meant to be added in Diablo 3 expansion 
Here is the link to the Diablo 3 forum:

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=19820550680&sid=3000

Enjoy!

-- Veskin7 Bukito 20:34, 29 September 2009

: OH, awesome! I am actually Targetgamer on Battle.net. It's my old Starcraft nickname, but I go by Leord on most other places.

: First off, general ideas and stuff is hard to add to the wiki, unless they have a popular support. However, stuff like monsters, we can make a page for, that looks like an official monster, but is more like a fan idea. I did this with [[fan class]]es, which has turned out marvellous. So basically, we could make a [[Fan class]] out of the Dragon Warrior. Just go to [[Fan class:Dragon Warrior]], where I pasted a standardised text you can help me fill out.

: You have basically everything ready to go, so it will mostly be copy+pasting. The standard text uses Wizard mostly, so you need to replace any Wizard skill names etc with Dragon Warrior skills. Now, if you have any self-made concept art, check out the help page called [[Help:Image]], and add them to the wiki.

: The background of the class needs more breaks, so it's not just one block of text. You need more air in it. Also, since [[Lut Gholein]] etc are real places, and [[Abd al-Hazir]] really exist in the gameworld, you can easily link to them in the wiki! Just check [[Help:Markup]] for how to make links!

: If you need help, myself and others are around. Just post a comment on my talk page, most people follow that. My idea is that when you made a proper [[Fan class]] out of the Dragon Warrior, we'll move on to the monsters, and we'll create a system to make fan monsters as well. That way you get a dedicated page with a good design on the biggest Diablo info database, and you can easily link it on Battle.net forums, or other Diablo fan forums.

: It's good if you fiddle around a bit before we start making a new type of page though :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:23, 30 September 2009 (CEST)

:: Also! I just thought about that wonderful map you made. I doubt enough other people will make additional world maps to be an actual new section of the wiki, but what you can do is heading over to [http://www.diii.net/ Diii.net], which is the biggest Diablo fansite, and posting it in their [http://www.diii.net/gallery/showgallery.php?cat=503 fan art gallery] and in the forum. I know Bashiok has said he visits the page. Same with the duel system suggestion. You will likely get much better discussion than on Battle.net, where there is a lot of trolls. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:30, 30 September 2009 (CEST)

:::'''Thank you!'''
:::Thank you, Leord! I am really happy that you appreciate my effords.
:::My goal is to make Blizzard create the things I've invented or at least get their attention.
:::I will we very grateful if you help me with this.
:::I will be able to edit the Dragon Warrior, but this will happen after some days. I actually am a fan without PC - I have played Blizzard games in internet clubs and I post my stuff from a friend's computer, but I can visit him per two days for just 3 hours a day. That's why I will ask you to edit the page if you don't want to wait for me. You can contact me on my E-mail /listed on my profile/ to receive further information about the Dragon Warrior skills and different skill tree names which I heve not invented yet.
:::I'll be in touch. -- 20:29, 30 September 2009 Veskin7 Bukito

::::Cool man :)

::::I am unfortunately busy doing other things at the wiki, but I did start up the [[Fan class]] program here together with [[Holyknight3000]]. I can help you with technical stuff, but the actual content you need to add yourself. How come you don't have internet? o.O

::::Nice to see you around anyway, and just leave a message here if you have any questions or concerns. If you finish off the Dragon Warrior, I'll make sure to create a nice template for how to make monster after! :)

::::Also, don;t forget to sign your posts. If you are unsure how, check out [[Help:Talk]]. ;)--[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:43, 1 October 2009 (CEST)

:::::I removed some of your links. Check the [[Talk:Fan class:Dragon Warrior|Dragon Warrior talk page]]. Also, I think you should upload the images. Check [[Help:Image]]s for help, or ask me :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 18:30, 5 October 2009 (CEST)

== Diablo3wiki.org ==
Actually I didn't start a new wiki. It was already there. And I already have contributed on that wiki alot. I kinda tried to ressurect it from the dead, but I think that the wiki is a lost cause.
I'll gladly contribute to this wiki. And if you need the help to manage this wiki, you can count me in. I do have some wiki experience(most of it is style related).

:I guess I'll just ask if they can delete/merge diablo3wiki.org --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 23:20, 1 October 2009 (CEST)

::Awesome! :) I am so happy! We're not that many wiki enthusiasts that also like Diablo, so it seems silly to split the effort. Also, the DiabloWiki.net has roots back to 1998, with old Diabloii.net's info pages. A lot here is on Diablo2.Diablowiki.net, and info has been around for a decade.

::Lots of it needs a facelift though, and lots of D3 info that needs adding :)

::I'd say you should try to get www.diablo3wiki.org changed to redirect to DiabloWiki.net, and then just leave the Diablo 3 wiki on wikia. If anyone else finds it there and start edits, perhaps we can add them to the greater project here as well, like Vipermagi and you!

::I'll start looking through all pages on Diablo3.wikia and try to get anything I can, besides images. Perhaps you can do a second trip to make sure we're not missing out on anything good? Next job here in DiabloWiki will be to update all [[monster]] pages to make sure they all use the [[Boilerplate:Monster|boilerplate]], and also add monsters we have concept art of, but no names. Best to have them in here, and we can just rename them and add some info if Blizz release lore material for it. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:44, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

:::Do you work with Stub categories here? Or is it just search and rescue? If it is the last one I can upload stub templates. It's a bit easier because all still to be edited pages will all be put in one category --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 12:27, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

::::There is just one Stub type category here at the moment. If you would like to help out making the art of stubbing more advanced, that sounds like a lovely idea. Make sure to explain any new stuff you make on the [[Help:Stub]] page as well. Easier to tell people what is new with that.

::::I have been meaning to do a stub facelift for ages, but I've not had the chance. Also, Templates in general need to be better categorised etc. You can see my work at structuring the wiki on [[Help:Structure]]. :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 12:31, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

::::By the way, I looked through the wiki, and added a little info on the [[Deckard Cain]] article, and some other minor things. Good to know we got it covered. :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:23, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

==Gameplan==
Uhm maybe it's a smart Idea to copy some templates from wikia. Or at least look if we can use some, or just look for Ideas?? :P --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 17:14, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

:Yeah, sure, for ideas if nothing else. I'd rather look at Wikipedia for guidance, though... My main point here was more the categorisation etc. But feel free to do it however you want.

:As for templates, they are currently working pretty good, we just need to increase more navboxes, and my point was if we should categorise the templates, not so much taking anything from Wikia. :) What do you think? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 17:25, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

::Well catogorizing them should be no problem. Since collecting+updating our wikicontent wouldn't be much of a problem. I'd like to look for new styles. Because the first think I see when I go to main page (it might be just me) is a big mess. Only when I take a better look I find info. So we need to do something about that. If you like I can try making a entire new Mainpage (or entire new skin). Not that this skin is bad, it's good.. in fact it is very good. But it still can be perfected. And I'd like to start helping this wiki by making it easy to read/easy to find/easy to see info. Tell me what you think of it/what your gameplan is. I'd probably tag in on ya --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 18:14, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

:::Remaking it completely seems like a very big job for something that isn't sure to have a great effect. I know we currently lack good navigation as it is. What would you primarily like to change on the front page? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 18:18, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

::::For starters? Less links. and maybe lose the how to help and/or the did you know part? That makes it a lot easier to read --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 19:59, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

:::::Personally don't mind the HtH/DYK? sections. I do agree on the links-to-text ratio. It's a big brick of links currently. Changing the skill tree lists to a small line or note like the following could work:
<pre>For information on [[character]] [[skills]], check out the following pages:
*[[Barbarian Skills]]
*[[Monk Skills]]
*etc.</pre>
:::::I'd be more inclined to read text than links myself.
:::::On the other hand, I never use the main page (RC is my navigation tool), so I might not be the one to ask for help on organisation ^^" Meh, you guys decide what you want and I'll be fine with it regardless (unless you make it pink or blue). Just spouting ideas around randomly. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 20:08, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

::::::What about
{|Border=1;width=33%;
|Character classes
|-
|
*[[Barbarian]] ([[Barbarian_skills|skills]])
*[[Monk]] ([[Monk_skills|skills]])
*[[Wizard]] ([[Wizard_skills|skills]])
*[[Witch Doctor]] ([[Witch_Doctor_skills|skills]])
*[[Archivist]] ([[Archivist_skills|skills]])
*[[Other classes|Unanounced Classes]]
|}

Simplicity is the best. And don't forget: The Mainpage is your trademark... If it's F-ed up they think the wiki is F-ed up.
::::::And for creating a new template we can also put that as a side project. When there is nothing to do... God bless boredom --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 20:34, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

:::::::There are several advantages with having it there. It's easy navigation if you go there etc. The question is how much it's used. I took the idea from some other big wiki ages past. The thing is, I just got access to the top menus, perhaps we should just put it in there, with dropdowns for stuff, and put something like "How to find info" in the links section, pointing people up to the menu? In the meanwhile, I am going to finish off the last Wizard skills now. You're all very welcome to help out, just check the [[Boilerplate:Skill]] --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:30, 5 October 2009 (CEST)

:::::::: There is a planned nav box for the left hand side which I was discussing with one of the other admins over the weekend. We were thinking of offering two skins. This one with some tweakage to volume of links and another with the main navigation being on the left, as is standard, both on the main page and within. This would allow us to take even more links off the body and leave that more for features. I agree the 'How to' could be trimmed right back, maybe even just to a small box with "How to help" and some essential links to orientate newcomers.

:::::::: I like the 'Did you know' feature. As long as it has slightly more obscure facts I think people like it. --[[User:Elly|Elly]] 17:54, 5 October 2009 (CEST) 

:::::::::I think a more organized main page would be nice. When you think about it, a lot of the page is everywhere. yes it is organized, but i think a more improved main page would be nice, and whatever template/style you guys choose i think will be fine.--[[User:Holyknight3000|holyknight3000]] 07:24, 6 October 2009 (CEST) 

::::::::::If anyone wants to make some test main pages that are improved that would be helpful -- [[User:Elly|Elly]] 23:35, 6 October 2009 (CEST)

===Plans Right Now===
What we'll do for right now then, I think, is making the new menu changes to the top of the wiki, and see what rush comes up with for the classic skin. When we have that done, we'll see what the front page could need in terms of change.

In the meanwhile, it could be cool to hear suggestion on how to change the "how to help" section, and also perhaps list a good menu structure for the top of the page? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:37, 6 October 2009 (CEST)

:I just realized I made some notes on that:
:''We need a "Help Out" tab, with links to wanted pages etc, and also to help. Perhaps rename/remove Quick Links.''
:--[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:40, 6 October 2009 (CEST)

== Some suggestiond and one idea ==

Hey Leord, how are you?
First I'm going to answer your question on why I have no computer and Internet - the answer is simple - poverty. I am a poor student that gets a scholarship of 60 euro per month. My parents have retired and get some pensions of 150 euro per month each. The money is just not enough to buy a PC. But we don't give up. My brother and I will econcmize money an after six months maybe we'll buy one computer. Until then I'm just gonna sit in Internet clubs.

I have a suggestion about the picture upload. Can you do this?: When you type <add picture> a dialog box appears and allows you to browse your computer and upload the file in the <add picture> location. Is it possible to be programmed? I am pretty sure that it is.

And the idea:

I wandered what to do so the efforts of the fans with the fan classes not to go in vain. And here is what I invented:
Why don't we offer Blizzard to make an entirely new Diablo game called Diablo 3 Fan Edition? It will contain classes and monsters made by fans and there will also be an entirely new continent /Angarock/ for the story of the game, made by fans /me/. The contributing fans may do the beta testing and stuff.

What do you think?

--16:25, 6 October 2009 Veskin7 Bukito

:Ah, sorry to hear about that, Veskin7 Bukito, and I hope it works out for you and your brother :)

:Yes, it's easy enough to upload images, but you do it slightly different. Check out [[Help:Image]]s. I have written the article to help people adding images. What you do then is almost exactly what you said. :)

:Fan classes, fan art, fan fiction and all things created by fans will never be done in vain. It's an integral part of the community, and it's the kind of stuff Blizzard takes inspiration from when they create thing in the game. We can definitely ask them to make these classes in some special edition, but the primary reason we put them here is to tantalize and be fun for the community. The development time to even make ONE of these fan classes to a real hero is pretty big, and they would not do it unless they felt enough thousands of people would buy in to it.

:They generally don't take entire ideas by people for their content, but are ''inspired''. However, if the fan classes by fans are added here, they will be left on the internet permanently, and perhaps inspiring Blizzard in upcoming expansions or perhaps Diablo 4 some time in 10 years. :) The whole reason I started encouraging fans to add their work here is so that it should not have been done in vain. It will always be here, available for fans and Blizzard alike.

:Never think all your work is in vain! You have shown that you have an open and active imagination, and is capable of writing. Perhaps your ideas will inspire Blizzard, perhaps not, but it's not that important, because you can create more!

:Perhaps you should consider trying to write fan fiction based on [[Sanctuary]], and the official world, or some short story about one of the countries in your Angarock continent? Either way, I think you should concentrate on making it as nice and detailed as possible, and available on DiabloWiki, so you can link it to people in the community or perhaps to friends on MSN etc. :) Give it a proper home, and make sure it's very nice and polished. :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 18:41, 6 October 2009 (CEST)

:Re, image idea: It ''may'' possible, but it takes a lot of time to make it work without bugging up, and we'd need to find someone extremely skilled and willing. We're better off directing people to [[special:upload]]/[[help:Image]]. An image needs it's own page, so the script will have to:
:* Recognise the <add image> 'tag'
:* Pop up a window that only looks for .jpegs/etc. by default
:* Pop a window that asks for the page name*
:* Check if the name isn't taken**
:* Upload the image under the chosen name
:** Possibly add proper tags/categories
:* Replace <add picture> with the proper link.
: *= If everyone uploads images without a descriptive name, it's hard to discern one from another. This also causes naming conflicts; When an image is uploaded to a name that is already used, it will override/remove the old image. This can be reverted, but it's a hassle.
: **=An image database is usually not fully up to date. The wiki software is hardcoded to flush the lists (i.e. update) once a day. Since the list is most likely not up to date, it's possible the script doesn't notice an image name is taken, and thus uploads the image over the old image.
:Additionally, the script will slow down page loading somewhat, which is more often than not unnecessary. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 19:01, 6 October 2009 (CEST)

::Aha, now I understand :) Now we're not going to add such a script. Perhaps later, when other critical; things are fixed. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:24, 7 October 2009 (CEST)

:::Writing such a script shouldn't be such a problem. But Viper is right what we need are a few people that script for this wiki. We have enough people to add the content (for the moment). I don't know if any1 here has acces to the scripts? But the person that you want to add those scripts should have it. And also Leord, if u want me to redesign some of the wiki parts (like the mainpage) maybe you should give me some rights as well?
:::The scripting: I think we should wait a bit with that. Untill we have the correct style and everything
:::P.S; the reason I don't react that often/update content atm is because I am a bit busy with school.. Will change in a couple of days --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 22:52, 7 October 2009 (CEST)
::::edit: I'd also like to see a few functions on this wiki but like Leord said we first need to do the primary things and then think about the secondary things --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 23:55, 7 October 2009 (CEST)

:::::Awesome. As for the script specifically, I just can't see the need for it, and creating a new possible way for hackers to try and gain access to the site (yes, we're often under attack) isn't a positive either. Not saying anyone here would fail at the scripting, just saying the more ways there are to upload stuff or do ANYTHING on the server, the more possible security holes appear.

:::::Good to know we'll see more of you soon, fighter :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:41, 8 October 2009 (CEST)

== Let's do it! ==

Hey, Leord!
The page of the Dragon Warrior is almost complete. I only have to add some skills and the pictures.

BTW can we proceed with creating Fan Monsters page?

And one more question: Do I create a new topic in the Battle.net forums called "Diablo 3 Fan Edition" and describe the idea and add links? I suggest there should be a vote for different classes, so Blizzard pick and create the best, and also a vote for creating Angarock. When I have more time, I will describe the idea thoroughly. -- 20:19, 11 October 2009 Veskin7 Bukito

: Hello!
: First off, you need to sign your talk page posts. Check out [[Help:Talk]] on how to do that :)
: Secondly, I want you to understand that you will likely not get a great strong reaction from asking people about this, other than admiration from doing a great job. Most likely, Blizzard will not create new classes or continents 100% based on fan input. Among reasons include the legal one: If they would take your world, they would have to pay you copyright money. So. Instead, they will *possibly* take some inspiration from you, and other fan artists, and make their own stuff.
: So, I really like the Fan Monster idea, and I'll get on it later today probably, but it will be hard to get Blizzard to use material created by fans.
: Having said that, it would be really cool with a fan class contest! Like, people make Fan Classes on DW.net, and we decide a winner. Then, hopefully, Blizzard takes note of it, and perhaps incorporate some of those ideas in the game later on! However, it would be cool with some sort of prize then... --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:52, 12 October 2009 (CEST)

== The Aurian Mage project ==
Hello, Leord. 
I have been working on a new Fan class called Aurian Mage. I invented more than 30 skills for one night and the class is almost ready. 
Can you please create a sample fan class page called Fan Class:Aurian Mage and add link to the fan classs category, just like you did with the Dragon Warrior?

Thank you.

Veskin7 Bukito 15 October 2009

:Awesome! Oki, I created the [[Fan class:Aurian Mage|Aurian Mage]], and it's ready to go. Just remember to make a sub-page for any links you create, like on the [[Fan_class:Dragon Warrior|Dragon Warrior]]. Meaning a <nowiki>[[Fan_class:Dragon Warrior/Skill Tree 1]]</nowiki> for example. :) Mind you, I have added it to the Fan class category, but it's not visible in the navigation box until you're done. I'll make it visible as soon as you added your info :)

:Also, you can easily make name + time stamp on any talk page posts you make by adding "<nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki>" at the end. When you press submit, the site recognises that string and replaces it with name + time + date :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:58, 16 October 2009 (CEST)

::Another thing. When you're done, don't forget to make a post on Battle.net about it. I'll help you bump the thread there if you give me the url ;) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:59, 16 October 2009 (CEST)

==New Page==
Can you please create a new page solely for linking to official trailers? I'm not sure how to do this. What I do is to create a link to that page, it shows up red and I edit it.:)--[[User:TheWanderer|TheWanderer]] 01:10, 16 October 2009 (CEST)

P.S. I'm working on Dead end pages and Orphaned pages.--[[User:TheWanderer|TheWanderer]] 01:10, 16 October 2009 (CEST)

:Oh! Awesome! That is sweeeheet! Check out [[Help:New_article]] that I wrote :) Basically, you'll probably feel silly for not thinking of it yourself ;) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 12:03, 16 October 2009 (CEST)

==Copy from D2 Wiki?==
I noticed that DW doesn't have some basic pages like [[Andariel]], but these are there in D2wiki. Can I just copy the revelant info or should I stick solely to the info released by Blizzard?--[[User:TheWanderer|TheWanderer]] 02:32, 17 October 2009 (CEST)

:Stick to info released by blizzard. Things may have changed. Also most of the info on this week needs to be confirmed so u can't copy/paste from D2W --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 12:51, 17 October 2009 (CEST)

::Hmm, don't know. I'd say they would keep information/Lore canon; she won't suddenly be a male horned demon :P --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 18:13, 17 October 2009 (CEST)

::You can use any source anywhere, as long as any speculation is clearly stated as speculation. Sources from D2W are pretty reliable, so go ahead. Do link the source in the references section though! Also, if something is debated to be true or not, make sure to point that out as well.

::In general, D2W is free to just copy. What you can do in addition to that is to check out what pages link to a certain D2W page, and change the link to a D3W page, or link to D3W for the lore. Just use [[Template:Iw]] (<nowiki>{{iw|Article_name Article name}}</nowiki> - will look like this: {{iw|Andariel Andariel}}. Since we'll keep the D3W more up to date on lore etc.

::Also, don't forget to link back to the D2W page for stats etc --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:14, 19 October 2009 (CEST)

::@Vipermagi: Blizzard has a habbit changing some parts of the lore so it would be easier for them to create "New" Things. --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 21:47, 20 October 2009 (CEST)

:::Yes, that's why I made the [[retcon]] article ;) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:18, 21 October 2009 (CEST)

==Destruction of information==
You seem to have made your previous talk page disappear entirely (as in, not even an archive). Was this your intention? --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 17:50, 21 October 2009 (CEST)

:With the new German wiki incoming, I accidentally deleted pages as I thought the wikis had been separated (try http://de.diablowiki.net/ which works, but is the same database as www). Restored it now, but lost history I think... --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 18:05, 21 October 2009 (CEST)

::History is still there :> I initially thought you archived by deletion, to be honest. All's well and good again, anyhow :) --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 21:58, 21 October 2009 (CEST)

== About Fan Monsters ==

Hey, Leord, I have two questions about Fan Monsters:

1/ Is it possible to accept my form of monster description /the one shown in the battle.net forum/?

Here it is:

CLASS -Specify monster class - often met, rarely met, weak, tough, very tough, miniboss, boss or whatever else class you wish.

APPEARANCE - Describe how the monster looks - colours and other specific things.

SIZE - Specify the size of the monster - height/lenght and other specific things.

DESCRIPTION, BEHAVIOUR AND SKILLS - Describe the monster's behaviour, where is it met and its skills one by one.

SOUNDS - describe what sounds does your creature make.

DEATH - describe how exactly does your monster die.

ITEMS DROPPED - describe what kind of items does your monster drop when killed.

EXPERIENCE - say how much experience does your monster give when killed - few, medium, lots or whatever else you say.

2/ I think there is a mistake in your example when you tell us how to create a new fan monster in the [[Fan monster]]s category. You said that we should just type the name of the monster like http://www.diablowiki.net/Fan_class:Banana_Hammock . Maybe it should be

http://www.diablowiki.net/Fan_monster:Banana_Hammock ?

I just wandered if you made a mistake... Am I right?

--[[User:Veskin7 Bukito|Veskin7 Bukito]] 01:06, 25 October 2009 (CEST)

::Heya!

::'''First off:''' The idea was to make the monster articles look similar to the REAL monster articles. Like for the [[skeleton]] etc. You can make the fan monster any way you want, but I would recommend just copying [[Boilerplate:Monster/copy]], and using that as a template. If you need instructions on how to use it, check out [[Boilerplate:Monster]].

::Most of the headlines you mentioned, you can put as sub-headlines to the '''"Diablo II Monster"''' headline.

::'''Secondly:''' Yes, that was a typo, I corrected it :)

::-- 11:09, 26 October 2009 [[Leord]]

== Fan Monsters Got Started ==
Hey, Leord, I just uploaded the first fan monster. Check out the [[Fan monster:Death Claw]]. Now you can update the Fan monster category by making a category box like the fan class category. I also found a solution about my form of monster description - I added the Death Claw Detailed Description in which I describe the monster my way. See if you can edit something in the Death Claw page...

--[[User:Veskin7 Bukito|Veskin7 Bukito]] 21:29, 28 October 2009 (CET)

:Hehe, it's actually the SECOND monster. You were beaten by the [[Fan monster:Brutal Beast|Brutal Beast]] by a few days ;)

:Anyway, I have added your article to the navigation, and I cleaned it up a bit, removing sections, and hiding some. Remember to use the "copy" version instead of the main boilerplate. The copy version has everything ready to go, and sections not often used are hidden.

:Other than that, looking mighty fine! :D --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:09, 29 October 2009 (CET)

==New Search==
Nice shiny new search bar! I like it! Works loads better. I left a message for you on my talk page.--[[User:TheWanderer|TheWanderer]] 23:56, 2 November 2009 (CET)

== Finally!!! ==
I have some spare time now.. So... Do you have any technical problems/issues/whatever you want fixed or technical things created? Want me to start making a new layout for the frontpage? Want me to create new templates etc. etc. Give me some orders and I'll check if possible then get it done if possible ;). I'll check your page tomorrow again. --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 21:52, 8 November 2009 (CET)

:Why start later?
:Using: [[Template:The_Key_header]] as an example. Wouldn't it be smarter to catogorize it in [[Fanmade/Template:The_Key_header]] so it would show up as Fanmade/Template:The_Key_header in RC that would make it clear about who is deleting/editing what.
::P.S: This site's lay out is <s>f*cked</s> --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 22:01, 8 November 2009 (CET)

:::If you put the template in (Main:)Fanmade/, you would need to use <nowiki>{{Fanmade/Template:The_Key_Header}}</nowiki> to insert it on pages. That's obscure and weird if you ask me :P It's also moved out of the Template: namespace that way. Doesn't matter too much, but usually when looking for templates used in actual articles, you look in the Template: [[Special:Prefixindex|prefix-index]], rather than that of non-existant articles ([[Fanmade]] does not exist (yet)). --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 11:57, 9 November 2009 (CET)

:::Awesome! Nice to see you having more spare time. :) The [[Main Page]] is of course a quite sensitive topic, as it's just about the most important page on the wiki. If you have design ideas, just whip up a really simple sketch in paint or the like, and upload it for us all to see. What I'm saying it it's needs to be an open debate, so don;t spend too much time on any one idea before talking to the rest of us for input. :)

:::As Vipermagi points out, it would break the regular prefixes to use slashes in the name for templates. I know the categorisation of templates could use some work, but we're probably not going to change things too much. Also, we're likely not adding Fanmade or other prefix at the moment.

:::I'd very much appreciate if you were a little bit more specific with feedback if there is something (like the layout) that is to your disliking. Is there something actually bugged, or is it a general layout choice you dislike?

:::There's plenty of other things you can do that doesn't require input from the rest of us though! There are several monsters in the [http://www.diii.net/gallery Diii.net's gallery] that don't have their own monster pages for instance. Many of the current monsters and skills need pictures. We need to add more lore entries from the [[Diablo I Manual]], [[Diablo II Manual]], [[Diablo II: Lord of Destruction Manual]] etc. The [[Timeline]] can be filled out with mroe entries from current lore. We have [[:Category:Factions|factions]], and [[:Category:Ethnic groups|ethnic groups]] etc, that really need to have a bit more clear category structure, and navbox etc.

:::I have just updated the menus of the wiki, so you can now find almost anything you want directly from the menu. Please help with feedback on whatever could be useful. Also, let's continue to discuss the new main page, but lets not lose focus on making the wiki's *content* the best on the net as well :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 12:14, 9 November 2009 (CET)

::::With layout I mean de links on the navigation boxes and stuff :P. Anyways I'll start with making a new lay out in paint. And I'll create a discussion topic for it. After that I'll check out the diablo II lore because I got the manuals here. --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 10:12, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

== D2 barb skills ==

I just finished doing images for the major barb skills ;) When you have some free time, check them out and tell me what you think!
--[[User:DoomBoy|Doomboy]] 5:15pm, November 8, 2009 (PST)

:Oh man, that is fantastic! I love it, the pages look so much more alive now! Is the Monk skills next? :D --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 18:37, 9 November 2009 (CET)

== Tomb Viper ==
Do you mind if I work on a wiki for the tomb viper? What kind of creature is it? Animal or Demon?
--[[User:Butch Audacity|Butch Audacity]] 10:44 PM, Nov 8, 2009

:No, go right ahead! :) Is that a real monster from the videos, or one you have invented? If it's a real monster, just class it as Demon, I think. There's no proper classification yet, so just go with what is most likely :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:55, 9 November 2009 (CET)

::The Tomb Vipers are from the Blizzcon 2009 Demo. I tried making a page for the Tomb Vipers and I wasn't allowed to. Any suggestions? -- 04:16, 10 November 2009 Butch Audacity

:::[[Tomb Vipers]]. I added it for you, but it's very easy to create [[Help:New_article|new articles]]. Also, it's great if you sign your posts on talk pages. I think you have in the past, so I might just be rude and point it out, but if you feel unsure, check out [[Help:Talk]]. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 10:48, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

== New Fan Monsters Added ==

Hey, Leord, how are you doing?
I have added three more monsters to the fan monster category: [[Fan monster:Black Hand Mage|Black Hand Mage]], [[Fan monster:Dark Venom|Dark Venom]] and [[Fan monster:Desert Cyclops|Desert Cyclops]].

See if there is something to edit on them and you can add them to the fan monster navbox.

What are you doing these days? Let's chat.

--[[User:Veskin7 Bukito|Veskin7 Bukito]] 22:49, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

:Hey! I completely forgot to reply to this. eithe myself or someone else added your monsters to the navbox in either way. I'm fine thanks, doing work on the wiki and whatnot :) Yourself? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:34, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

::Well I'm fine. Now I busy myself with some fan monsters and my newest project - a joke monster called Golden Pepper. This pepper is a special one - if you eat it, you will recieve a rare or unique item. Will add it as soon as I draw the picture.

::In the meantime I'm still waiting for Holyknight3000 to put colors to some of my pictures.

::And in the university I study in - The Ecology is fine. Now we are pretty close to exam session. Must study and write course projects.

::P.S.

::Yes it was me who added the new monsters to the navbox, now that I know how to do it, I will not bother you.
::I will soon contact you for creating some new articles - "Fan Items" and "Fan characters and NPCs". But still not ready for these. --[[User:Veskin7 Bukito|Veskin7 Bukito]] 19:32, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

== .uuuhm ==
While Looking at the site (The navboxes in particular). I realised that this site could use some changes. So what I wanna do is the following:
*Create a new Front page (Naming it something like /NewMainpage (can be deleted after I'm done).
*Redesigning navboxes (naming the templates with things like /NpcNavbox2 and putting them on 1 page).
*Let people think and consider if they want the old designs or the new designs.

Tell me what you think and if you're okay with it I'll start with the proces. --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 23:03, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

:Hey, I forgot to reply to you too :)

:First off, always create test pages on your user page, like <nowiki>[[User:Fighterbitsj/Main_Page]]</nowiki>. Good idea is also to link to it from your user page so you don't forget that it exists. :) Secondly, I'm not really looking to make a main page overhaul, unless you have something spectacular in mind. This is why I thought just doing a quick sketch in MS Paint or whatever to let me get an idea of where you were going was smart. Other than that, It's really only "Key Pages" that's planned to be changed now when most articles are presented in the top menus.

:Navboxes are really meant to be properly redesigned using both parsing and some simple java scripts, so we can use "tabs" and the like. I'm not sure spending time on a redesign in the interim is a project well spent time on. Same there though, if you have an idea that makes tabbing of navigation obsolete, I'd love to hear/see it. Make a <nowiki>[[User:Fighterbitsj/Navbox]]</nowiki> page so we can see what you're thinking.

:What we REALLY need though is improving lore pages. Regardless of if you know much about Diablo lore or not, it's usually not somethign that is required. Just open one of the manuals, look at a section, make sure any relevant words are linked up, and that any of those links include the info of that section. almost always there's a lot to add, be it new characters, locations or the like. You can also check the [[http://www.diablowiki.net/Special:Wantedpages Wantedpages]], and add articles that way.

:A second thing we really need is images. Loads of pages, like [[Lut Gholein]] could use mroe descriptive imagery, and especially the [[skill]]s. All skills should have at least one image on them each.

:So, basically, show us your ideas before you start spending loads of time into coding a main page or a new navbox, and let everyone comment on it, then go. In the meanwhile, there's loads of other work needing to be done in the wiki that is just as important. :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:45, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

::Sigh I'm having a little time out again since both my laptop and my desktop are broken (what are the odds of that??). --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 14:44, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

:::Massive ouchness! :) Well, doodle a bit on a piece of paper on your planned designs, so you can do it quickly when you have access to a proper PC, or check out the manuals and look at the missing pages etc. Plan ahead ;) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 15:05, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

== OMG ==

Hey, Leord, what is that long menu that stretches from the sky to the ground in the wiki site? It's quite uncomfortable. I wonder if someone has edited the site without permission. What is happening?

--[[User:Veskin7 Bukito|Veskin7 Bukito]] 19:33, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

:Server issues, I presume. That huge list is actually the discrete navmenu you see at the top :P It's back to normal for me now.
:Additionally, I noticed this when it was a long list: [http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp53/Bakmachien/comw.jpg link]. Comw? Trying to navigate to that adress returns nothing, by the way (that could also be the problem: It couldn't find the server and thus exploded the style sheet). --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 21:20, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

::Phew! It's back to normal to me too. Let's hope it doesn't happen again.
::BTW My English is not good enough. I want to ask you: what is the plural of "mage"? is it "magi" or "mages"? --[[User:Veskin7 Bukito|Veskin7 Bukito]] 21:48, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

:::Either works (ex1: Mages of the Vizjerei clan, ex2: Skin of the Vipermagi). --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 22:19, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

::::Hey guys! Yes, I did not know they were moving the domains this weekend. I would really have wished to be there to help out, but it seems all is working now, anyway. That "comw", is that still occurring? obviously a typo if so...

::::Also; Feel free to use "Mages" or "Magi" as you see fit. "Magi" is really a more "traditional" name, like you would find in old scrolls, and "Mages" is a more commonly used name that the average farmer would use :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 10:26, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

== Having Fun? ==
* (Move log); 15:42 . . Leord (Talk | contribs) moved Unique to Legendary over redirect
* (Move log); 15:42 . . Leord (Talk | contribs) moved Legendary to Unique
* (Move log); 15:41 . . Leord (Talk | contribs) moved Uniques to Legendary over redirect
* (Move log); 15:41 . . Leord (Talk | contribs) moved Legendary to Uniques 
Creatively acquiring redirects, or what? :P --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 15:45, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

:Hehe, making redirects without the redirect pages show up in the front page Wiki feed :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:19, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

::Cleaned up [[special:doubleredirects]]; now it's filled with ''other'' redirects anyhow (which now work properly!) :D Sorry about that. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 17:11, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

:::Cheers, very handy :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 17:14, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

::::You edit-conflicted me D: I was going to add "Random thought that popped up in my mind: Could the feed be filtered to only show non-minor edits? I've taped down my minor edit button since I don't make major edits often (more convenient to untick the box once every aeon to indicate a major edit than vice versa), so all but one of those edits would be filtered from the feed (it unticked for one edit, somehow). ", but I think I've changed my mind. Oh wait... ;) --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 17:16, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

:::::Good point, I have no idea. I do the same thing. Sure, there's an error here or there then, when it IS a bigger edit, but something I can live with. It will be less errors this way. Is this a filter that's possible in a wiki? Otherwise it will be having to wait for a new page we were thinking of creating, listing wiki changes etc.

:::::BTW, we REALLY need to be able to use images without them linking to themselves all the time. Did you know how to fix that? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 17:20, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

::::::Well, in RC you can filter out Minor edits with a toggle (add &hideminor=1, or click the button in RC Options, second row). I have no idea how the feed works exactly, though, so I don't know what would and wouldn't work.
::::::As for the images: Do you mean that the images are effectively hyperlinks to the image's page? I've seen a method to make the image link to the current page, but it's irreliable (it doesn't like namespaces much...); I'll ask around to see if there's a simple method that doesn't mess up. Do you want a brute image link disable (i.e. images simple never link), or a case-by-case application? I don't know if the former is possible, but who knows. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 18:01, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

::::::Case-by-case was a rather obvious one: [[image:wiki.png|link=|30px]]. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 18:09, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

::::::: Testing [[image:wiki.png|link=http://www.diablowiki.net/|30px]]. That's an amazing find! Must have been implemented in the latest upgrade Paul did. I remember trying it out before and it not working. That is bloody awesome! It was exactly what I needed! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 12:41, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

==Bye!==
Leord, thanks for making me feel so welcome during my time here. Due to an unfortunate encounter with Thyiad in the SPF, I won't be returning. Good luck with the wiki. -- 20:20, 29 November 2009 JMJimmy
: Single Player Forum I suppose? From which site? I kind of assume you mean Diii.net, but why? Thyiad is not here on DW, and if you look at the main menu (perhaps you need Ctrl+F5), we've even removed that connection to Diii.net. We're linking all sites that help the wiki on the front page, which Diii.net is included, but we're our own wiki.

: You have been a great help here, and it seems very silly to leave the budding DW community for something happening on another site... --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 10:20, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

== *cough* ==
[[User_talk:Vipermagi#Java_etc|Severe cold]], sorry *cough* --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 17:01, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

==Problem uploading image==
Hey Leord, I recently edited the Legacy of blood page and wanted to upload and image of the book cover however i encountered a problem. I either get: The file has no extension (like ".jpg"). or that i uploaded an empty file. But the file does have an extension (tried .jpg .png and .gif) and there is a file, I've tried several diffrent versions also (various sources including my own copy).Any ideas? --[[User:Zukker|Zukker]] 15:29, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

:Does the path in the Source field have an extension, and does the Filename have the same extension? Additionally, when you receive an error and use the Back button in your browser, it's best to refresh the page to avoid problems. The wiki software doesn't quite like cached results ;) --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 15:40, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

::Thanks for the reply, Viper! If I was you, Zukker, I'd put in the code in the page first, save it, and then click the red link of the image to upload it. That way it's usually right. Just remember to have the file ending the SAME both for the actual file and in the code, like Viper said. Awesome job so far! :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:51, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

:::Ah viper i'll try that. Leord thats exactly what i did and i ran into problems. Alright that didn't work either, the extension is the same and the filename is the same...i'm pondering why this won't work :( --[[User:Zukker|Zukker]] 18:58, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

::::Hmm... I just uploaded [[:File:Four pixels of awesome.jpg|this]] image. What extension does the image have? --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 19:15, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

:::::It's worked before that's the weird thing. The file is a normal .jpg, but tried both .gif and .png --[[User:Zukker|Zukker]] 19:55, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
:::::EDIT: Now it seemed to work...when i manually went to the upload page...awell

User talk:Leord/2

2009-12-14T20:01:59Z

Zukker:

==Welcome 2==
I had to archive my talk page, it was getting too long. Welcome to the new one, feel free to leave any messages at the bottom of the page!

You can find the old one [[User talk:Leord/1|here]]. Please don't edit that one! :P If you want to continue on older topics, make a new one and bring it up like if it was a new one. I brought over a few topics that are a bit recent.

Cheers! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:34, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

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== Appreciation ==
Thank you for the touch-ups you did to the Alchemist page. As an English major, I was in agony over making such a mistake as putting "theirselves". If there are any other problems with the page, please feel free to correct them. I have not had much experience in writing webpages, but I am learning. Also, if you have any ideas, I am very open to imput. I do have a question: Is '''diablowiki.net''' connected to '''diii.net'''? I have noticed that my Alchemist page has appeared there as well, I wanted to make sure they were allowed to do so. -- 21:25, 8 July 2009 [[User:Kire|Kire]]
: You're quite welcome! :) Any edits in the wiki, you can get help in the [[Help|help section]]. As for Talk page comments, you can simply sign them with the press of a key, more info [[Help:Talk|here]].
: Diii.net is running DiabloWiki, but the contribs here does not necessarily have any connections with Diii.net. As for classes, do you mean [http://forums.diii.net/showthread.php?t=731429 this one]? Doesn't look like it's the same, other than the name. :) As for "allowed", I am not sure what you mean. It's the internet, and you probably don't have a trademark for Alchemist. ;) Other than that, we don't impose any special user rights other than normal law. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:49, 9 July 2009 (CEST)

::For what I can find, anything on this Wiki is completely uncopyrighted, so it's basically right-to-copy.
::Somewhat related is the message above the Summary bar; "(see [[Project:Copyrights]] for details)". Redlink, oops? ;) --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 15:31, 9 July 2009 (CEST)

:::I know there are some rights reserved, for legal reasons etc. But over all, it's a pretty open affair :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 15:41, 9 July 2009 (CEST)

::::Thanks again for clearing that up! And I do recognize that people are free to copy and edit anything on the site, so I'm not trying to lay claim to it. Sorry if I sounded like a jealous user -I think I was just shocked to see links to the Alchemist page on other sites so quickly. I need to also thank you for the link you gave me to the forum at Diii.net on Alchemists. I am now in touch with users with similar interests to my own! --[[User:Kire|Kire]] 11:27, 9 July 2009 (CEST)

:::::Cool! Yeah, things I do tend to get popular quick. Great to be back online as well. Been a horrible 2 odd weeks! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:51, 6 August 2009 (CEST)

== Skill template ==
Holidays are boring. 
Do you know approx. what skill pages you've created? I can spend some hours creating pages, since I have little better to do :P --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 00:02, 20 July 2009 (CEST)

:While I possibly have your attention: [[Special:Contributions/AlgetMonco]] → Vandal that dislikes you. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 11:29, 20 July 2009 (CEST)

:: Noticed. He's blocked now. I don't know if that helps. thatnks for keeping my talk page clean. Need to start archiving now as well :P

:: As for the skills, it's pretty easy to see which ones are made by looking at the skill navboxes for the wizard. I am literally doing one tree at the time, going through it from first to last :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:51, 6 August 2009 (CEST)

:::When I get some free time again (preparing for a LAN weekend atm :) ) I'll start with the Barbarian. *writes a note on his desktop* --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 14:02, 6 August 2009 (CEST)

::::Absolutely awesome. As we finalize these, we'll start making more wiki updates on the front of Diii.net as well. We took a big hit for the downtime, no time to spare to get it back! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:04, 6 August 2009 (CEST)

== Synnargeez ==
[[Conjured_Health#Synergies]]. CH synergizes with Mirror Image, not the other way around; I figured that header would be for skills that synergize with the skill you're looking at? Makes more sense to me. What's your thoughts on this case? --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 19:24, 6 August 2009 (CEST)

:Well, my idea was to have the term "synergy" to basically list all spells that are directly related. I'm using an old term because people are familiar with it. I am fairly certain there will be no "generally synergistic" spells like in Diablo II. You will have the 1 Rank spells (for Wizard) and then the 15 rank Skills. Possibly 2-15 varies between skills, but that basic design. A bit like skills and talents in one tree, talking in WoW terms (I should make an article about that!). --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:30, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

:What do you think? I am very open for suggestions at this stage :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:30, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

::I just find listing affected skills on passives a bit redundant, since the direct effect is listed in both Background and Description.
::Also, on skill ranks: Base will be 5 max, and it's possible to get a higher cap (10 and 15) for an X amount of skills (unknown X). --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 14:51, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

:::We'll see about the base. Most Wizard skills are 15. As for listing, I like it. It's like the official list with all things affecting or affected by it. If someone wants to reference a spell, it's great to have it in a standardised place, if you can't be bothered to look for the link in BG/Description etc. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:58, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

::::A Bashiok quote on skill point caps:
:One important addition to this is the skill caps themselves. Currently we're envisioning the majority of skills to be capped at 5 points, to begin with. As a form of progression we're planning for players to be able to increase the point caps of skills. More than likely to a maximum of 15. It's a system that's still under heavy design, but the fact of choosing and increasing key skills beyond their initial cap is important to this new unified tier system.</pre>
::::So, most Wizard skills are actually 5 :P
::::As for the list: Okay. It's not like I'll die over the redundancy :) --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 15:25, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

:::::Cool. We'll we will have to update this as we move along. Could you make a short paragraph in the [[skill]]s article about the tier system? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 15:27, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

==Skill / Skill tree / Tier==
[[Skill#Earlier_Info]] has a link to [[Skill_tree]] which has info on Skill [[tier]]s.

We could either split up Skill tree and Tier into two articles, or keep it on one page. I'm fine with either (leaning slightly towards one page; A lot of small pages tend to be harder to navigate). Pick your poison. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 19:33, 7 August 2009 (CEST)

:I was almost thinking we should include all pages to one, like [[skill]]s and [[skill tree]]s really are very closely related. either that, or a lot more interlinking and some sort of navigation. That page would be pretty long though...
:If we just try to summarize the quotes a bit (since wikipedia and other wikis don't really quote much anyway), it would make the article a lot shorter... What are your thoughts? As it is now, it's definitely a little bit too confusing. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:32, 10 August 2009 (CEST)

::Just dumping the info on both pages together would make a huge article, yes, but it would have a ton of redundancy too. The page won't be all that long once you remove all the duplicate information (that's another pro of having 1 page over several: Less repeated info :) ). Then again, when is a page long, and when is it not?
::We could make one page in the userspace or wherever to see how long it'd be after removing all redundancy. It would also be a better page for format testing than the page the site's visitors read ;)
::In the end I'm for one page and redirects to that page (and headers on that page if they work). --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 13:58, 10 August 2009 (CEST)

:::Oki, I agree. You think you got tome to do it? My next major DW push will be skills again. --17:14, 10 August 2009 Leord

::::I have a lot of Tomes to do stuff ;) Will get to skill pages tomorrow. by the way.
::::[[User:Vipermagi/Skill]] and [[User:Vipermagi/Skill2]]. The first is done (unless there's information missing currently?), the latter is not (yet). --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 21:15, 10 August 2009 (CEST)

:::::Looks very good. We will implement it a bit later then. :) One thing I didn't understand: What's left to do? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 15:12, 12 August 2009 (CEST)

I have deleted [[skill tree]] and made all info on it available on [[Skill]] instead. It makes more sense, who would look at "skill tree" for that info anyway? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 19:03, 16 September 2009 (CEST)

==Skill table==
[[Power of the Battlemaster]] now just has a bulleted list of it's effect. The header is misleading though, as it promised a table. Ideas? --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 18:19, 11 August 2009 (CEST)

:Yes, that's true. The idea is to have a table there in the future, and a bullet point list is what we do before we have proper info. I'd say we keep the name atm. Just so it fits when it's all "upgraded" properly.

:On a sidenote, don't write <void> on Description. Just write what is known. Look at the [[Boilerplate:Skill/copy]] article, and use that as inspiration. You can always write something. Also, a little blurb at the top of the page is good as well. Just take the [[Boilerplate:Skill/copy]] one, and replace class, skills, and then add a few words at the end of it :) This will also make sure to put the infobox underneath the ad.

:You can also add "(presumed)" for rank 4 and 5 of the skill, like I did with many of the arcane skills. If you have 3 ranks info, then you can probably figure out the other ranks stats. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 15:12, 12 August 2009 (CEST)

==Im back, baby!==

Hey leord, im back... was absent because there werent any juicy news about diablo 3, so i went away... im like a bear, i do my thing during specific times... Anyway i have a few suggestions, then im off to editing some articles and adding new ones...http://www.diablowiki.net/skins/common/images/button_sig.png

A: This wiki needs an IRC channel, hosted on quakenet, if possible, it would be much easier for editors/people to go to the channel, and ask questions there... like how to edit articles, or to report any mistakes that we might have made... please say yes

B: There is no B...

C: No C too...

-- 12:53, 20 August 2009 DxAxxxTyriel

: Hey man, nice to see you! :) At the moment, we don't have a IRC channel, but some sort of chat will come up later on. At the moment, I am mostly in the #StarcraftWire channel on Quakenet! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:54, 20 August 2009 (CEST)

==Monk==
Hey dude, you mind if i do the Monk Class? i saw the Diablo 3 panel and WoW:C panels on Ustream, from a guy who was streaming the Pay-per-view thing.... can i? i have many pictures. --[[User:DxAxxxTyriel|DxAxxxTyriel]] 00:53, 22 August 2009 (CEST)

:Dude! Bloody good job on the Monk! And never ask permission to do anything in the wiki ;) You are always free to do anything (except mupping up content, ofc)! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 12:19, 24 August 2009 (CEST)

:Thx mate. --[[User:DxAxxxTyriel|DxAxxxTyriel]] 15:56, 24 August 2009 (CEST)

== Meli back.... ==

Hi Leord,

I am back to do updates to both Wizard and Monk, from the large news posts on diii.net which detail the full skill trees. Alot to throw out and alot to add. I will leave all the skill pages that are becoming obsolete for the moment just as they. Might be reuseable when they change skill setup again. Otherwise i am updateing all the related pages and also navigation boxes where needed.

Been fiddling with Witch doctor and Wizard already. Will take 1-2 evenings to get it all done though.

regards, meli --[[User:Melianor|Melianor]] 13:57, 31 August 2009 (CEST)

:Hello Melianor, great to see you! (and the great updates!)

:Yes, we'll keep/make skills of the old skills, but put them in an archive of some sort later on, so don't set any of them for deletion! :) I will join you in editing in a few minutes ;) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:34, 1 September 2009 (CEST)

== FAQ ==
[[FAQ]] changed ever so slighty. You can reach it's old contents [http://www.diablowiki.net/FAQ&action=edit here]. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 21:25, 3 September 2009 (CEST)

:Weird. I know the /FAQ is some special page in the wiki, not a regular article... --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 17:45, 4 September 2009 (CEST)

:[[Diablo III FAQ]]: this is the actual FAQ. the [[FAQ]] article is some sort of special Wiki thing. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:15, 8 September 2009 (CEST)

::I know; that's why I linked you to the &edit page, so you could access the old information. I didn't know wether you might wanted to transplant it :> The DIII Faq has the same information, though, so I suppose you don't need it anymore. [[FAQ]] is also unlinked beyond this page, so all is well. Redirecting it didn't work, sadly. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 16:33, 8 September 2009 (CEST)

:::Yeh, no I think I tried fiddling with it last year, and gave up, adding a new FAQ with another name :) If you find out how to make use of [[FAQ]], don't be shy :P --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 17:13, 8 September 2009 (CEST)

::::I can tell you no other wiki I visit uses the FAQ page at all (page never created), and none of those have the odd plain text. Since I can't: Maybe try a delete? --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 18:41, 8 September 2009 (CEST)

:::::It will likely just delete the article I made. The thing is, the site obviously redirects the [[FAQ]] url to some other place than the actual article. I have no idea why. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 20:08, 8 September 2009 (CEST)

== Some Problem... ==
A fan class has been popping up in all the class pages. I removed the links, and think it's just a mistake on the author's path. Maybe some editing is the Class Template page.Please check it out.--[[User:TheWanderer|TheWanderer]] 05:47, 25 September 2009 (CEST)

: After LOTS of problems, I fixed it all. I left messages a little bit of everywhere to explain it :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:30, 25 September 2009 (CEST)

== New Fanmade Content ==

Hello everyone! 
I am a self-taught artist. I just signed in Diablo Wiki and I still don't know how to operate here. I was invited here by Targetgamer. I have many ideas about Diablo 3 and I have posted them in the Battle.net forums. Targretgamer read them and invited me here. As soon i get used to the tools here I will post my ideas on this site. In the meantime you can see my ideas in the battle.net forums. I have ideas in both Suggestions and Diablo 3 forums. Some people there think that I am a spammer, because my post are too long. I hope that people here will be more patient and read more of my ideas. 
Here are some links 

A proposal for a new duel system in Diablo 3:

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=18031101457&sid=3000

Dragon Warrior - New class proposition:

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=19820550662&sid=3000

Dragon Warrior /Shinobi/ skills:

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=18313393127&sid=3000

New Monster Propositions with Concept Art for Diablo 3:

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=20133925237&sid=3000

Read some of my ideas and maybe post your opinion in the forum.

Hello, its Veskin7 Bukito again. 
I forgot to add the last post. 
View my idea for a new continent meant to be added in Diablo 3 expansion 
Here is the link to the Diablo 3 forum:

http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=19820550680&sid=3000

Enjoy!

-- Veskin7 Bukito 20:34, 29 September 2009

: OH, awesome! I am actually Targetgamer on Battle.net. It's my old Starcraft nickname, but I go by Leord on most other places.

: First off, general ideas and stuff is hard to add to the wiki, unless they have a popular support. However, stuff like monsters, we can make a page for, that looks like an official monster, but is more like a fan idea. I did this with [[fan class]]es, which has turned out marvellous. So basically, we could make a [[Fan class]] out of the Dragon Warrior. Just go to [[Fan class:Dragon Warrior]], where I pasted a standardised text you can help me fill out.

: You have basically everything ready to go, so it will mostly be copy+pasting. The standard text uses Wizard mostly, so you need to replace any Wizard skill names etc with Dragon Warrior skills. Now, if you have any self-made concept art, check out the help page called [[Help:Image]], and add them to the wiki.

: The background of the class needs more breaks, so it's not just one block of text. You need more air in it. Also, since [[Lut Gholein]] etc are real places, and [[Abd al-Hazir]] really exist in the gameworld, you can easily link to them in the wiki! Just check [[Help:Markup]] for how to make links!

: If you need help, myself and others are around. Just post a comment on my talk page, most people follow that. My idea is that when you made a proper [[Fan class]] out of the Dragon Warrior, we'll move on to the monsters, and we'll create a system to make fan monsters as well. That way you get a dedicated page with a good design on the biggest Diablo info database, and you can easily link it on Battle.net forums, or other Diablo fan forums.

: It's good if you fiddle around a bit before we start making a new type of page though :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:23, 30 September 2009 (CEST)

:: Also! I just thought about that wonderful map you made. I doubt enough other people will make additional world maps to be an actual new section of the wiki, but what you can do is heading over to [http://www.diii.net/ Diii.net], which is the biggest Diablo fansite, and posting it in their [http://www.diii.net/gallery/showgallery.php?cat=503 fan art gallery] and in the forum. I know Bashiok has said he visits the page. Same with the duel system suggestion. You will likely get much better discussion than on Battle.net, where there is a lot of trolls. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:30, 30 September 2009 (CEST)

:::'''Thank you!'''
:::Thank you, Leord! I am really happy that you appreciate my effords.
:::My goal is to make Blizzard create the things I've invented or at least get their attention.
:::I will we very grateful if you help me with this.
:::I will be able to edit the Dragon Warrior, but this will happen after some days. I actually am a fan without PC - I have played Blizzard games in internet clubs and I post my stuff from a friend's computer, but I can visit him per two days for just 3 hours a day. That's why I will ask you to edit the page if you don't want to wait for me. You can contact me on my E-mail /listed on my profile/ to receive further information about the Dragon Warrior skills and different skill tree names which I heve not invented yet.
:::I'll be in touch. -- 20:29, 30 September 2009 Veskin7 Bukito

::::Cool man :)

::::I am unfortunately busy doing other things at the wiki, but I did start up the [[Fan class]] program here together with [[Holyknight3000]]. I can help you with technical stuff, but the actual content you need to add yourself. How come you don't have internet? o.O

::::Nice to see you around anyway, and just leave a message here if you have any questions or concerns. If you finish off the Dragon Warrior, I'll make sure to create a nice template for how to make monster after! :)

::::Also, don;t forget to sign your posts. If you are unsure how, check out [[Help:Talk]]. ;)--[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:43, 1 October 2009 (CEST)

:::::I removed some of your links. Check the [[Talk:Fan class:Dragon Warrior|Dragon Warrior talk page]]. Also, I think you should upload the images. Check [[Help:Image]]s for help, or ask me :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 18:30, 5 October 2009 (CEST)

== Diablo3wiki.org ==
Actually I didn't start a new wiki. It was already there. And I already have contributed on that wiki alot. I kinda tried to ressurect it from the dead, but I think that the wiki is a lost cause.
I'll gladly contribute to this wiki. And if you need the help to manage this wiki, you can count me in. I do have some wiki experience(most of it is style related).

:I guess I'll just ask if they can delete/merge diablo3wiki.org --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 23:20, 1 October 2009 (CEST)

::Awesome! :) I am so happy! We're not that many wiki enthusiasts that also like Diablo, so it seems silly to split the effort. Also, the DiabloWiki.net has roots back to 1998, with old Diabloii.net's info pages. A lot here is on Diablo2.Diablowiki.net, and info has been around for a decade.

::Lots of it needs a facelift though, and lots of D3 info that needs adding :)

::I'd say you should try to get www.diablo3wiki.org changed to redirect to DiabloWiki.net, and then just leave the Diablo 3 wiki on wikia. If anyone else finds it there and start edits, perhaps we can add them to the greater project here as well, like Vipermagi and you!

::I'll start looking through all pages on Diablo3.wikia and try to get anything I can, besides images. Perhaps you can do a second trip to make sure we're not missing out on anything good? Next job here in DiabloWiki will be to update all [[monster]] pages to make sure they all use the [[Boilerplate:Monster|boilerplate]], and also add monsters we have concept art of, but no names. Best to have them in here, and we can just rename them and add some info if Blizz release lore material for it. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:44, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

:::Do you work with Stub categories here? Or is it just search and rescue? If it is the last one I can upload stub templates. It's a bit easier because all still to be edited pages will all be put in one category --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 12:27, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

::::There is just one Stub type category here at the moment. If you would like to help out making the art of stubbing more advanced, that sounds like a lovely idea. Make sure to explain any new stuff you make on the [[Help:Stub]] page as well. Easier to tell people what is new with that.

::::I have been meaning to do a stub facelift for ages, but I've not had the chance. Also, Templates in general need to be better categorised etc. You can see my work at structuring the wiki on [[Help:Structure]]. :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 12:31, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

::::By the way, I looked through the wiki, and added a little info on the [[Deckard Cain]] article, and some other minor things. Good to know we got it covered. :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:23, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

==Gameplan==
Uhm maybe it's a smart Idea to copy some templates from wikia. Or at least look if we can use some, or just look for Ideas?? :P --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 17:14, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

:Yeah, sure, for ideas if nothing else. I'd rather look at Wikipedia for guidance, though... My main point here was more the categorisation etc. But feel free to do it however you want.

:As for templates, they are currently working pretty good, we just need to increase more navboxes, and my point was if we should categorise the templates, not so much taking anything from Wikia. :) What do you think? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 17:25, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

::Well catogorizing them should be no problem. Since collecting+updating our wikicontent wouldn't be much of a problem. I'd like to look for new styles. Because the first think I see when I go to main page (it might be just me) is a big mess. Only when I take a better look I find info. So we need to do something about that. If you like I can try making a entire new Mainpage (or entire new skin). Not that this skin is bad, it's good.. in fact it is very good. But it still can be perfected. And I'd like to start helping this wiki by making it easy to read/easy to find/easy to see info. Tell me what you think of it/what your gameplan is. I'd probably tag in on ya --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 18:14, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

:::Remaking it completely seems like a very big job for something that isn't sure to have a great effect. I know we currently lack good navigation as it is. What would you primarily like to change on the front page? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 18:18, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

::::For starters? Less links. and maybe lose the how to help and/or the did you know part? That makes it a lot easier to read --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 19:59, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

:::::Personally don't mind the HtH/DYK? sections. I do agree on the links-to-text ratio. It's a big brick of links currently. Changing the skill tree lists to a small line or note like the following could work:
<pre>For information on [[character]] [[skills]], check out the following pages:
*[[Barbarian Skills]]
*[[Monk Skills]]
*etc.</pre>
:::::I'd be more inclined to read text than links myself.
:::::On the other hand, I never use the main page (RC is my navigation tool), so I might not be the one to ask for help on organisation ^^" Meh, you guys decide what you want and I'll be fine with it regardless (unless you make it pink or blue). Just spouting ideas around randomly. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 20:08, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

::::::What about
{|Border=1;width=33%;
|Character classes
|-
|
*[[Barbarian]] ([[Barbarian_skills|skills]])
*[[Monk]] ([[Monk_skills|skills]])
*[[Wizard]] ([[Wizard_skills|skills]])
*[[Witch Doctor]] ([[Witch_Doctor_skills|skills]])
*[[Archivist]] ([[Archivist_skills|skills]])
*[[Other classes|Unanounced Classes]]
|}

Simplicity is the best. And don't forget: The Mainpage is your trademark... If it's F-ed up they think the wiki is F-ed up.
::::::And for creating a new template we can also put that as a side project. When there is nothing to do... God bless boredom --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 20:34, 2 October 2009 (CEST)

:::::::There are several advantages with having it there. It's easy navigation if you go there etc. The question is how much it's used. I took the idea from some other big wiki ages past. The thing is, I just got access to the top menus, perhaps we should just put it in there, with dropdowns for stuff, and put something like "How to find info" in the links section, pointing people up to the menu? In the meanwhile, I am going to finish off the last Wizard skills now. You're all very welcome to help out, just check the [[Boilerplate:Skill]] --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:30, 5 October 2009 (CEST)

:::::::: There is a planned nav box for the left hand side which I was discussing with one of the other admins over the weekend. We were thinking of offering two skins. This one with some tweakage to volume of links and another with the main navigation being on the left, as is standard, both on the main page and within. This would allow us to take even more links off the body and leave that more for features. I agree the 'How to' could be trimmed right back, maybe even just to a small box with "How to help" and some essential links to orientate newcomers.

:::::::: I like the 'Did you know' feature. As long as it has slightly more obscure facts I think people like it. --[[User:Elly|Elly]] 17:54, 5 October 2009 (CEST) 

:::::::::I think a more organized main page would be nice. When you think about it, a lot of the page is everywhere. yes it is organized, but i think a more improved main page would be nice, and whatever template/style you guys choose i think will be fine.--[[User:Holyknight3000|holyknight3000]] 07:24, 6 October 2009 (CEST) 

::::::::::If anyone wants to make some test main pages that are improved that would be helpful -- [[User:Elly|Elly]] 23:35, 6 October 2009 (CEST)

===Plans Right Now===
What we'll do for right now then, I think, is making the new menu changes to the top of the wiki, and see what rush comes up with for the classic skin. When we have that done, we'll see what the front page could need in terms of change.

In the meanwhile, it could be cool to hear suggestion on how to change the "how to help" section, and also perhaps list a good menu structure for the top of the page? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:37, 6 October 2009 (CEST)

:I just realized I made some notes on that:
:''We need a "Help Out" tab, with links to wanted pages etc, and also to help. Perhaps rename/remove Quick Links.''
:--[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:40, 6 October 2009 (CEST)

== Some suggestiond and one idea ==

Hey Leord, how are you?
First I'm going to answer your question on why I have no computer and Internet - the answer is simple - poverty. I am a poor student that gets a scholarship of 60 euro per month. My parents have retired and get some pensions of 150 euro per month each. The money is just not enough to buy a PC. But we don't give up. My brother and I will econcmize money an after six months maybe we'll buy one computer. Until then I'm just gonna sit in Internet clubs.

I have a suggestion about the picture upload. Can you do this?: When you type <add picture> a dialog box appears and allows you to browse your computer and upload the file in the <add picture> location. Is it possible to be programmed? I am pretty sure that it is.

And the idea:

I wandered what to do so the efforts of the fans with the fan classes not to go in vain. And here is what I invented:
Why don't we offer Blizzard to make an entirely new Diablo game called Diablo 3 Fan Edition? It will contain classes and monsters made by fans and there will also be an entirely new continent /Angarock/ for the story of the game, made by fans /me/. The contributing fans may do the beta testing and stuff.

What do you think?

--16:25, 6 October 2009 Veskin7 Bukito

:Ah, sorry to hear about that, Veskin7 Bukito, and I hope it works out for you and your brother :)

:Yes, it's easy enough to upload images, but you do it slightly different. Check out [[Help:Image]]s. I have written the article to help people adding images. What you do then is almost exactly what you said. :)

:Fan classes, fan art, fan fiction and all things created by fans will never be done in vain. It's an integral part of the community, and it's the kind of stuff Blizzard takes inspiration from when they create thing in the game. We can definitely ask them to make these classes in some special edition, but the primary reason we put them here is to tantalize and be fun for the community. The development time to even make ONE of these fan classes to a real hero is pretty big, and they would not do it unless they felt enough thousands of people would buy in to it.

:They generally don't take entire ideas by people for their content, but are ''inspired''. However, if the fan classes by fans are added here, they will be left on the internet permanently, and perhaps inspiring Blizzard in upcoming expansions or perhaps Diablo 4 some time in 10 years. :) The whole reason I started encouraging fans to add their work here is so that it should not have been done in vain. It will always be here, available for fans and Blizzard alike.

:Never think all your work is in vain! You have shown that you have an open and active imagination, and is capable of writing. Perhaps your ideas will inspire Blizzard, perhaps not, but it's not that important, because you can create more!

:Perhaps you should consider trying to write fan fiction based on [[Sanctuary]], and the official world, or some short story about one of the countries in your Angarock continent? Either way, I think you should concentrate on making it as nice and detailed as possible, and available on DiabloWiki, so you can link it to people in the community or perhaps to friends on MSN etc. :) Give it a proper home, and make sure it's very nice and polished. :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 18:41, 6 October 2009 (CEST)

:Re, image idea: It ''may'' possible, but it takes a lot of time to make it work without bugging up, and we'd need to find someone extremely skilled and willing. We're better off directing people to [[special:upload]]/[[help:Image]]. An image needs it's own page, so the script will have to:
:* Recognise the <add image> 'tag'
:* Pop up a window that only looks for .jpegs/etc. by default
:* Pop a window that asks for the page name*
:* Check if the name isn't taken**
:* Upload the image under the chosen name
:** Possibly add proper tags/categories
:* Replace <add picture> with the proper link.
: *= If everyone uploads images without a descriptive name, it's hard to discern one from another. This also causes naming conflicts; When an image is uploaded to a name that is already used, it will override/remove the old image. This can be reverted, but it's a hassle.
: **=An image database is usually not fully up to date. The wiki software is hardcoded to flush the lists (i.e. update) once a day. Since the list is most likely not up to date, it's possible the script doesn't notice an image name is taken, and thus uploads the image over the old image.
:Additionally, the script will slow down page loading somewhat, which is more often than not unnecessary. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 19:01, 6 October 2009 (CEST)

::Aha, now I understand :) Now we're not going to add such a script. Perhaps later, when other critical; things are fixed. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:24, 7 October 2009 (CEST)

:::Writing such a script shouldn't be such a problem. But Viper is right what we need are a few people that script for this wiki. We have enough people to add the content (for the moment). I don't know if any1 here has acces to the scripts? But the person that you want to add those scripts should have it. And also Leord, if u want me to redesign some of the wiki parts (like the mainpage) maybe you should give me some rights as well?
:::The scripting: I think we should wait a bit with that. Untill we have the correct style and everything
:::P.S; the reason I don't react that often/update content atm is because I am a bit busy with school.. Will change in a couple of days --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 22:52, 7 October 2009 (CEST)
::::edit: I'd also like to see a few functions on this wiki but like Leord said we first need to do the primary things and then think about the secondary things --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 23:55, 7 October 2009 (CEST)

:::::Awesome. As for the script specifically, I just can't see the need for it, and creating a new possible way for hackers to try and gain access to the site (yes, we're often under attack) isn't a positive either. Not saying anyone here would fail at the scripting, just saying the more ways there are to upload stuff or do ANYTHING on the server, the more possible security holes appear.

:::::Good to know we'll see more of you soon, fighter :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:41, 8 October 2009 (CEST)

== Let's do it! ==

Hey, Leord!
The page of the Dragon Warrior is almost complete. I only have to add some skills and the pictures.

BTW can we proceed with creating Fan Monsters page?

And one more question: Do I create a new topic in the Battle.net forums called "Diablo 3 Fan Edition" and describe the idea and add links? I suggest there should be a vote for different classes, so Blizzard pick and create the best, and also a vote for creating Angarock. When I have more time, I will describe the idea thoroughly. -- 20:19, 11 October 2009 Veskin7 Bukito

: Hello!
: First off, you need to sign your talk page posts. Check out [[Help:Talk]] on how to do that :)
: Secondly, I want you to understand that you will likely not get a great strong reaction from asking people about this, other than admiration from doing a great job. Most likely, Blizzard will not create new classes or continents 100% based on fan input. Among reasons include the legal one: If they would take your world, they would have to pay you copyright money. So. Instead, they will *possibly* take some inspiration from you, and other fan artists, and make their own stuff.
: So, I really like the Fan Monster idea, and I'll get on it later today probably, but it will be hard to get Blizzard to use material created by fans.
: Having said that, it would be really cool with a fan class contest! Like, people make Fan Classes on DW.net, and we decide a winner. Then, hopefully, Blizzard takes note of it, and perhaps incorporate some of those ideas in the game later on! However, it would be cool with some sort of prize then... --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:52, 12 October 2009 (CEST)

== The Aurian Mage project ==
Hello, Leord. 
I have been working on a new Fan class called Aurian Mage. I invented more than 30 skills for one night and the class is almost ready. 
Can you please create a sample fan class page called Fan Class:Aurian Mage and add link to the fan classs category, just like you did with the Dragon Warrior?

Thank you.

Veskin7 Bukito 15 October 2009

:Awesome! Oki, I created the [[Fan class:Aurian Mage|Aurian Mage]], and it's ready to go. Just remember to make a sub-page for any links you create, like on the [[Fan_class:Dragon Warrior|Dragon Warrior]]. Meaning a <nowiki>[[Fan_class:Dragon Warrior/Skill Tree 1]]</nowiki> for example. :) Mind you, I have added it to the Fan class category, but it's not visible in the navigation box until you're done. I'll make it visible as soon as you added your info :)

:Also, you can easily make name + time stamp on any talk page posts you make by adding "<nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki>" at the end. When you press submit, the site recognises that string and replaces it with name + time + date :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:58, 16 October 2009 (CEST)

::Another thing. When you're done, don't forget to make a post on Battle.net about it. I'll help you bump the thread there if you give me the url ;) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:59, 16 October 2009 (CEST)

==New Page==
Can you please create a new page solely for linking to official trailers? I'm not sure how to do this. What I do is to create a link to that page, it shows up red and I edit it.:)--[[User:TheWanderer|TheWanderer]] 01:10, 16 October 2009 (CEST)

P.S. I'm working on Dead end pages and Orphaned pages.--[[User:TheWanderer|TheWanderer]] 01:10, 16 October 2009 (CEST)

:Oh! Awesome! That is sweeeheet! Check out [[Help:New_article]] that I wrote :) Basically, you'll probably feel silly for not thinking of it yourself ;) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 12:03, 16 October 2009 (CEST)

==Copy from D2 Wiki?==
I noticed that DW doesn't have some basic pages like [[Andariel]], but these are there in D2wiki. Can I just copy the revelant info or should I stick solely to the info released by Blizzard?--[[User:TheWanderer|TheWanderer]] 02:32, 17 October 2009 (CEST)

:Stick to info released by blizzard. Things may have changed. Also most of the info on this week needs to be confirmed so u can't copy/paste from D2W --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 12:51, 17 October 2009 (CEST)

::Hmm, don't know. I'd say they would keep information/Lore canon; she won't suddenly be a male horned demon :P --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 18:13, 17 October 2009 (CEST)

::You can use any source anywhere, as long as any speculation is clearly stated as speculation. Sources from D2W are pretty reliable, so go ahead. Do link the source in the references section though! Also, if something is debated to be true or not, make sure to point that out as well.

::In general, D2W is free to just copy. What you can do in addition to that is to check out what pages link to a certain D2W page, and change the link to a D3W page, or link to D3W for the lore. Just use [[Template:Iw]] (<nowiki>{{iw|Article_name Article name}}</nowiki> - will look like this: {{iw|Andariel Andariel}}. Since we'll keep the D3W more up to date on lore etc.

::Also, don't forget to link back to the D2W page for stats etc --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:14, 19 October 2009 (CEST)

::@Vipermagi: Blizzard has a habbit changing some parts of the lore so it would be easier for them to create "New" Things. --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 21:47, 20 October 2009 (CEST)

:::Yes, that's why I made the [[retcon]] article ;) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:18, 21 October 2009 (CEST)

==Destruction of information==
You seem to have made your previous talk page disappear entirely (as in, not even an archive). Was this your intention? --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 17:50, 21 October 2009 (CEST)

:With the new German wiki incoming, I accidentally deleted pages as I thought the wikis had been separated (try http://de.diablowiki.net/ which works, but is the same database as www). Restored it now, but lost history I think... --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 18:05, 21 October 2009 (CEST)

::History is still there :> I initially thought you archived by deletion, to be honest. All's well and good again, anyhow :) --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 21:58, 21 October 2009 (CEST)

== About Fan Monsters ==

Hey, Leord, I have two questions about Fan Monsters:

1/ Is it possible to accept my form of monster description /the one shown in the battle.net forum/?

Here it is:

CLASS -Specify monster class - often met, rarely met, weak, tough, very tough, miniboss, boss or whatever else class you wish.

APPEARANCE - Describe how the monster looks - colours and other specific things.

SIZE - Specify the size of the monster - height/lenght and other specific things.

DESCRIPTION, BEHAVIOUR AND SKILLS - Describe the monster's behaviour, where is it met and its skills one by one.

SOUNDS - describe what sounds does your creature make.

DEATH - describe how exactly does your monster die.

ITEMS DROPPED - describe what kind of items does your monster drop when killed.

EXPERIENCE - say how much experience does your monster give when killed - few, medium, lots or whatever else you say.

2/ I think there is a mistake in your example when you tell us how to create a new fan monster in the [[Fan monster]]s category. You said that we should just type the name of the monster like http://www.diablowiki.net/Fan_class:Banana_Hammock . Maybe it should be

http://www.diablowiki.net/Fan_monster:Banana_Hammock ?

I just wandered if you made a mistake... Am I right?

--[[User:Veskin7 Bukito|Veskin7 Bukito]] 01:06, 25 October 2009 (CEST)

::Heya!

::'''First off:''' The idea was to make the monster articles look similar to the REAL monster articles. Like for the [[skeleton]] etc. You can make the fan monster any way you want, but I would recommend just copying [[Boilerplate:Monster/copy]], and using that as a template. If you need instructions on how to use it, check out [[Boilerplate:Monster]].

::Most of the headlines you mentioned, you can put as sub-headlines to the '''"Diablo II Monster"''' headline.

::'''Secondly:''' Yes, that was a typo, I corrected it :)

::-- 11:09, 26 October 2009 [[Leord]]

== Fan Monsters Got Started ==
Hey, Leord, I just uploaded the first fan monster. Check out the [[Fan monster:Death Claw]]. Now you can update the Fan monster category by making a category box like the fan class category. I also found a solution about my form of monster description - I added the Death Claw Detailed Description in which I describe the monster my way. See if you can edit something in the Death Claw page...

--[[User:Veskin7 Bukito|Veskin7 Bukito]] 21:29, 28 October 2009 (CET)

:Hehe, it's actually the SECOND monster. You were beaten by the [[Fan monster:Brutal Beast|Brutal Beast]] by a few days ;)

:Anyway, I have added your article to the navigation, and I cleaned it up a bit, removing sections, and hiding some. Remember to use the "copy" version instead of the main boilerplate. The copy version has everything ready to go, and sections not often used are hidden.

:Other than that, looking mighty fine! :D --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:09, 29 October 2009 (CET)

==New Search==
Nice shiny new search bar! I like it! Works loads better. I left a message for you on my talk page.--[[User:TheWanderer|TheWanderer]] 23:56, 2 November 2009 (CET)

== Finally!!! ==
I have some spare time now.. So... Do you have any technical problems/issues/whatever you want fixed or technical things created? Want me to start making a new layout for the frontpage? Want me to create new templates etc. etc. Give me some orders and I'll check if possible then get it done if possible ;). I'll check your page tomorrow again. --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 21:52, 8 November 2009 (CET)

:Why start later?
:Using: [[Template:The_Key_header]] as an example. Wouldn't it be smarter to catogorize it in [[Fanmade/Template:The_Key_header]] so it would show up as Fanmade/Template:The_Key_header in RC that would make it clear about who is deleting/editing what.
::P.S: This site's lay out is <s>f*cked</s> --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 22:01, 8 November 2009 (CET)

:::If you put the template in (Main:)Fanmade/, you would need to use <nowiki>{{Fanmade/Template:The_Key_Header}}</nowiki> to insert it on pages. That's obscure and weird if you ask me :P It's also moved out of the Template: namespace that way. Doesn't matter too much, but usually when looking for templates used in actual articles, you look in the Template: [[Special:Prefixindex|prefix-index]], rather than that of non-existant articles ([[Fanmade]] does not exist (yet)). --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 11:57, 9 November 2009 (CET)

:::Awesome! Nice to see you having more spare time. :) The [[Main Page]] is of course a quite sensitive topic, as it's just about the most important page on the wiki. If you have design ideas, just whip up a really simple sketch in paint or the like, and upload it for us all to see. What I'm saying it it's needs to be an open debate, so don;t spend too much time on any one idea before talking to the rest of us for input. :)

:::As Vipermagi points out, it would break the regular prefixes to use slashes in the name for templates. I know the categorisation of templates could use some work, but we're probably not going to change things too much. Also, we're likely not adding Fanmade or other prefix at the moment.

:::I'd very much appreciate if you were a little bit more specific with feedback if there is something (like the layout) that is to your disliking. Is there something actually bugged, or is it a general layout choice you dislike?

:::There's plenty of other things you can do that doesn't require input from the rest of us though! There are several monsters in the [http://www.diii.net/gallery Diii.net's gallery] that don't have their own monster pages for instance. Many of the current monsters and skills need pictures. We need to add more lore entries from the [[Diablo I Manual]], [[Diablo II Manual]], [[Diablo II: Lord of Destruction Manual]] etc. The [[Timeline]] can be filled out with mroe entries from current lore. We have [[:Category:Factions|factions]], and [[:Category:Ethnic groups|ethnic groups]] etc, that really need to have a bit more clear category structure, and navbox etc.

:::I have just updated the menus of the wiki, so you can now find almost anything you want directly from the menu. Please help with feedback on whatever could be useful. Also, let's continue to discuss the new main page, but lets not lose focus on making the wiki's *content* the best on the net as well :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 12:14, 9 November 2009 (CET)

::::With layout I mean de links on the navigation boxes and stuff :P. Anyways I'll start with making a new lay out in paint. And I'll create a discussion topic for it. After that I'll check out the diablo II lore because I got the manuals here. --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 10:12, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

== D2 barb skills ==

I just finished doing images for the major barb skills ;) When you have some free time, check them out and tell me what you think!
--[[User:DoomBoy|Doomboy]] 5:15pm, November 8, 2009 (PST)

:Oh man, that is fantastic! I love it, the pages look so much more alive now! Is the Monk skills next? :D --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 18:37, 9 November 2009 (CET)

== Tomb Viper ==
Do you mind if I work on a wiki for the tomb viper? What kind of creature is it? Animal or Demon?
--[[User:Butch Audacity|Butch Audacity]] 10:44 PM, Nov 8, 2009

:No, go right ahead! :) Is that a real monster from the videos, or one you have invented? If it's a real monster, just class it as Demon, I think. There's no proper classification yet, so just go with what is most likely :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 11:55, 9 November 2009 (CET)

::The Tomb Vipers are from the Blizzcon 2009 Demo. I tried making a page for the Tomb Vipers and I wasn't allowed to. Any suggestions? -- 04:16, 10 November 2009 Butch Audacity

:::[[Tomb Vipers]]. I added it for you, but it's very easy to create [[Help:New_article|new articles]]. Also, it's great if you sign your posts on talk pages. I think you have in the past, so I might just be rude and point it out, but if you feel unsure, check out [[Help:Talk]]. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 10:48, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

== New Fan Monsters Added ==

Hey, Leord, how are you doing?
I have added three more monsters to the fan monster category: [[Fan monster:Black Hand Mage|Black Hand Mage]], [[Fan monster:Dark Venom|Dark Venom]] and [[Fan monster:Desert Cyclops|Desert Cyclops]].

See if there is something to edit on them and you can add them to the fan monster navbox.

What are you doing these days? Let's chat.

--[[User:Veskin7 Bukito|Veskin7 Bukito]] 22:49, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

:Hey! I completely forgot to reply to this. eithe myself or someone else added your monsters to the navbox in either way. I'm fine thanks, doing work on the wiki and whatnot :) Yourself? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:34, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

::Well I'm fine. Now I busy myself with some fan monsters and my newest project - a joke monster called Golden Pepper. This pepper is a special one - if you eat it, you will recieve a rare or unique item. Will add it as soon as I draw the picture.

::In the meantime I'm still waiting for Holyknight3000 to put colors to some of my pictures.

::And in the university I study in - The Ecology is fine. Now we are pretty close to exam session. Must study and write course projects.

::P.S.

::Yes it was me who added the new monsters to the navbox, now that I know how to do it, I will not bother you.
::I will soon contact you for creating some new articles - "Fan Items" and "Fan characters and NPCs". But still not ready for these. --[[User:Veskin7 Bukito|Veskin7 Bukito]] 19:32, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

== .uuuhm ==
While Looking at the site (The navboxes in particular). I realised that this site could use some changes. So what I wanna do is the following:
*Create a new Front page (Naming it something like /NewMainpage (can be deleted after I'm done).
*Redesigning navboxes (naming the templates with things like /NpcNavbox2 and putting them on 1 page).
*Let people think and consider if they want the old designs or the new designs.

Tell me what you think and if you're okay with it I'll start with the proces. --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 23:03, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

:Hey, I forgot to reply to you too :)

:First off, always create test pages on your user page, like <nowiki>[[User:Fighterbitsj/Main_Page]]</nowiki>. Good idea is also to link to it from your user page so you don't forget that it exists. :) Secondly, I'm not really looking to make a main page overhaul, unless you have something spectacular in mind. This is why I thought just doing a quick sketch in MS Paint or whatever to let me get an idea of where you were going was smart. Other than that, It's really only "Key Pages" that's planned to be changed now when most articles are presented in the top menus.

:Navboxes are really meant to be properly redesigned using both parsing and some simple java scripts, so we can use "tabs" and the like. I'm not sure spending time on a redesign in the interim is a project well spent time on. Same there though, if you have an idea that makes tabbing of navigation obsolete, I'd love to hear/see it. Make a <nowiki>[[User:Fighterbitsj/Navbox]]</nowiki> page so we can see what you're thinking.

:What we REALLY need though is improving lore pages. Regardless of if you know much about Diablo lore or not, it's usually not somethign that is required. Just open one of the manuals, look at a section, make sure any relevant words are linked up, and that any of those links include the info of that section. almost always there's a lot to add, be it new characters, locations or the like. You can also check the [[http://www.diablowiki.net/Special:Wantedpages Wantedpages]], and add articles that way.

:A second thing we really need is images. Loads of pages, like [[Lut Gholein]] could use mroe descriptive imagery, and especially the [[skill]]s. All skills should have at least one image on them each.

:So, basically, show us your ideas before you start spending loads of time into coding a main page or a new navbox, and let everyone comment on it, then go. In the meanwhile, there's loads of other work needing to be done in the wiki that is just as important. :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 13:45, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

::Sigh I'm having a little time out again since both my laptop and my desktop are broken (what are the odds of that??). --[[User:Fighterbitsj|Fighterbitsj]] 14:44, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

:::Massive ouchness! :) Well, doodle a bit on a piece of paper on your planned designs, so you can do it quickly when you have access to a proper PC, or check out the manuals and look at the missing pages etc. Plan ahead ;) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 15:05, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

== OMG ==

Hey, Leord, what is that long menu that stretches from the sky to the ground in the wiki site? It's quite uncomfortable. I wonder if someone has edited the site without permission. What is happening?

--[[User:Veskin7 Bukito|Veskin7 Bukito]] 19:33, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

:Server issues, I presume. That huge list is actually the discrete navmenu you see at the top :P It's back to normal for me now.
:Additionally, I noticed this when it was a long list: [http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp53/Bakmachien/comw.jpg link]. Comw? Trying to navigate to that adress returns nothing, by the way (that could also be the problem: It couldn't find the server and thus exploded the style sheet). --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 21:20, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

::Phew! It's back to normal to me too. Let's hope it doesn't happen again.
::BTW My English is not good enough. I want to ask you: what is the plural of "mage"? is it "magi" or "mages"? --[[User:Veskin7 Bukito|Veskin7 Bukito]] 21:48, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

:::Either works (ex1: Mages of the Vizjerei clan, ex2: Skin of the Vipermagi). --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 22:19, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

::::Hey guys! Yes, I did not know they were moving the domains this weekend. I would really have wished to be there to help out, but it seems all is working now, anyway. That "comw", is that still occurring? obviously a typo if so...

::::Also; Feel free to use "Mages" or "Magi" as you see fit. "Magi" is really a more "traditional" name, like you would find in old scrolls, and "Mages" is a more commonly used name that the average farmer would use :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 10:26, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

== Having Fun? ==
* (Move log); 15:42 . . Leord (Talk | contribs) moved Unique to Legendary over redirect
* (Move log); 15:42 . . Leord (Talk | contribs) moved Legendary to Unique
* (Move log); 15:41 . . Leord (Talk | contribs) moved Uniques to Legendary over redirect
* (Move log); 15:41 . . Leord (Talk | contribs) moved Legendary to Uniques 
Creatively acquiring redirects, or what? :P --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 15:45, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

:Hehe, making redirects without the redirect pages show up in the front page Wiki feed :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:19, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

::Cleaned up [[special:doubleredirects]]; now it's filled with ''other'' redirects anyhow (which now work properly!) :D Sorry about that. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 17:11, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

:::Cheers, very handy :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 17:14, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

::::You edit-conflicted me D: I was going to add "Random thought that popped up in my mind: Could the feed be filtered to only show non-minor edits? I've taped down my minor edit button since I don't make major edits often (more convenient to untick the box once every aeon to indicate a major edit than vice versa), so all but one of those edits would be filtered from the feed (it unticked for one edit, somehow). ", but I think I've changed my mind. Oh wait... ;) --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 17:16, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

:::::Good point, I have no idea. I do the same thing. Sure, there's an error here or there then, when it IS a bigger edit, but something I can live with. It will be less errors this way. Is this a filter that's possible in a wiki? Otherwise it will be having to wait for a new page we were thinking of creating, listing wiki changes etc.

:::::BTW, we REALLY need to be able to use images without them linking to themselves all the time. Did you know how to fix that? --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 17:20, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

::::::Well, in RC you can filter out Minor edits with a toggle (add &hideminor=1, or click the button in RC Options, second row). I have no idea how the feed works exactly, though, so I don't know what would and wouldn't work.
::::::As for the images: Do you mean that the images are effectively hyperlinks to the image's page? I've seen a method to make the image link to the current page, but it's irreliable (it doesn't like namespaces much...); I'll ask around to see if there's a simple method that doesn't mess up. Do you want a brute image link disable (i.e. images simple never link), or a case-by-case application? I don't know if the former is possible, but who knows. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 18:01, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

::::::Case-by-case was a rather obvious one: [[image:wiki.png|link=|30px]]. --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 18:09, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

::::::: Testing [[image:wiki.png|link=http://www.diablowiki.net/|30px]]. That's an amazing find! Must have been implemented in the latest upgrade Paul did. I remember trying it out before and it not working. That is bloody awesome! It was exactly what I needed! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 12:41, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

==Bye!==
Leord, thanks for making me feel so welcome during my time here. Due to an unfortunate encounter with Thyiad in the SPF, I won't be returning. Good luck with the wiki. -- 20:20, 29 November 2009 JMJimmy
: Single Player Forum I suppose? From which site? I kind of assume you mean Diii.net, but why? Thyiad is not here on DW, and if you look at the main menu (perhaps you need Ctrl+F5), we've even removed that connection to Diii.net. We're linking all sites that help the wiki on the front page, which Diii.net is included, but we're our own wiki.

: You have been a great help here, and it seems very silly to leave the budding DW community for something happening on another site... --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 10:20, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

== *cough* ==
[[User_talk:Vipermagi#Java_etc|Severe cold]], sorry *cough* --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 17:01, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

==Problem uploading image==
Hey Leord, I recently edited the Legacy of blood page and wanted to upload and image of the book cover however i encountered a problem. I either get: The file has no extension (like ".jpg"). or that i uploaded an empty file. But the file does have an extension (tried .jpg .png and .gif) and there is a file, I've tried several diffrent versions also (various sources including my own copy).Any ideas? --[[User:Zukker|Zukker]] 15:29, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

:Does the path in the Source field have an extension, and does the Filename have the same extension? Additionally, when you receive an error and use the Back button in your browser, it's best to refresh the page to avoid problems. The wiki software doesn't quite like cached results ;) --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 15:40, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

::Thanks for the reply, Viper! If I was you, Zukker, I'd put in the code in the page first, save it, and then click the red link of the image to upload it. That way it's usually right. Just remember to have the file ending the SAME both for the actual file and in the code, like Viper said. Awesome job so far! :) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 16:51, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

:::Ah viper i'll try that. Leord thats exactly what i did and i ran into problems. Alright that didn't work either, the extension is the same and the filename is the same...i'm pondering why this won't work :( --[[User:Zukker|Zukker]] 18:58, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

::::Hmm... I just uploaded [[:File:Four pixels of awesome.jpg|this]] image. What extension does the image have? --[[User:Vipermagi|Vipermagi]] 19:15, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

:::::It's worked before that's the weird thing. The file is a normal .jpg, but tried both .gif and .png --[[User:Zukker|Zukker]] 19:55, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
EDIT: Now it seemed to work...when i manually went to the upload page...awell

Diablo: Legacy of Blood

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Written by [[Richard_A._Knaak|Richard A. Knaak]] and published in 2001.

'''Diablo: Legacy of Blood''' is a [[Diablo novel]] evolving around [[Bartuc]]'s demonic armour.

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[[Norrec Vizharan]] has become a living nightmare. While on a quest to find magical treasure, the soldier of fortune discovers an artifact beyond his wildest dreams: the ancient armor of [[Bartuc]], the legendary [[Warlord of Blood]]. But the mysterious armor is cursed, channeling a malevolent power into Norrec's tortured soul. Now, pursued by demons who covet the dark armor for their own devices, Norrec must overcome a bloodlust he can scarcely control and learn the truth about his terrifying curse before the is lost to darkness forever....

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Diablo: Legacy of Blood

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Zukker:

[[Image:Legacy of Blood|right|200px]]
Written by [[Richard_A._Knaak|Richard A. Knaak]] and published in 2001.

'''Diablo: Legacy of Blood''' is a [[Diablo novel]] evolving around [[Bartuc]]'s demonic armour.

{{novels}}

[[Norrec Vizharan]] has become a living nightmare. While on a quest to find magical treasure, the soldier of fortune discovers an artifact beyond his wildest dreams: the ancient armor of [[Bartuc]], the legendary [[Warlord of Blood]]. But the mysterious armor is cursed, channeling a malevolent power into Norrec's tortured soul. Now, pursued by demons who covet the dark armor for their own devices, Norrec must overcome a bloodlust he can scarcely control and learn the truth about his terrifying curse before the is lost to darkness forever....

{{stub}}

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Talk:Diablo: Legacy of Blood

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I wrote this one time...but don't know where it went